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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]People who can see people on bicycles know there are more people on bicycles, now.

People who can't, don't.[/quote]

People who can't see them certainly shouldn't be operating a motor vehicle.[/quote]

Agreed. If you can't see people when they are on bikes, you should not be driving.[/quote]
And what about cyclists killing each other? What’s the criteria and responsibility there? And shouldn’t the Vision Zero response be to make the bike lanes smaller to make the cyclists behave less recklessly so they don’t kill people?[/quote]

Making bike lanes smaller just squeezes them into smaller spaces and would actually be less safe.[/quote]

Bike lanes that take up less space will  reduce cyclist speed, making things safer for everyone.  Win-win.[/quote]
It’s interesting that the rules of Vision Zero don’t apply the same after a cyclist kills another cyclist through recklessness. Even more interesting is that the cycling activists don’t seem to care about this dead cyclist at all. Haven’t said a word. [/quote]
It’s fascinating how little the cycling activists want to talk about this. Want to cite traffic fatalities non-stop but don’t want to get into the causes.

Unfortunately there are two dead cyclists so far in DC in 2024. One was trying to cycle on 295 and the other who was riding a bike share e-bike without a helmet was killed from a collision with another cyclist riding a bike share e-bike. A helmet would probably have saved their life (but that’s too much common sense against the nonsense contrarian argument that helmets make cyclists less safe).

I think it’s time to start ignoring the bikebros.[/quote]

This is not just a DC thing, but e-bikes are noticeably more dangerous than pedal bikes. Its not just the extra weight and size either, but the fact it lets novice riders move at speeds they really aren't ready for. They really do veer into moped territory and probably should be treated more like them.

Ironically though, the second cyclist died because he stopped at a light. [/quote]
The cyclist died because they hit their head on the ground after a collision with another cyclist. You people are nuts. [/quote]

I take it that you now support helmet laws and will be pushing for them?  That's what Vision Zero would do.[/quote]
I do support helmet laws. Professional cyclist wear them and many have credited helmets for saving their life. A helmet would clearly have saved this man’s life.

The ani-helmet argument is just a bunch of counter factual hypothesizing. I have lived long enough to know that these supposed counter intuitive theories rarely ever are true. People seem drawn to them because they make them sound clever and smart.

I remember the howls and protests from the motorcycle groups when helmet laws for motorcycles were introduced. The arguments were not much different. “What if it was safer if no one wore helmets” should not convince anyone, and yet…[/quote]

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