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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm a liberal voter but trying to argue that virtual school wasn't a mistake is ridiculous. And I am a teacher! [/quote]

This. I don't teach but my parents, sister, and SIL are all teachers (in a blue state that isn't on a coast). They all taught virtually in spring 2020 and then went back in person in August 2020 (hybrid in the fall and then full time in person by February when vaccines were available.

They all hate Trump and believe in science, and every one of them think how we handled it in the DMV is insane. My mom still advocates for us to move there because she worries for my youngest who did kindergarten remotely, and worries they'll close the schools again here. They hated teaching virtually and embraced hybrid (which also sucked but at least allowed for social distancing in person), masking, testing, etc., to be able to teach in person. My dad is a HS science teacher with a heart condition, and he would have retired if they stayed virtual any longer because he hated being out of the lab and trying to engage HS kids on Zoom.

DC is a huge outlier on this, but I think many people here don't have enough experience with other places to understand how much.[/quote]

Why does she think they would close schools again? WTF.  I wouldn't want to listen to someone thinking like that, either.[/quote]

Because there could be another pandemic or emergency and she feels that the politicians and districts here showed that they don't prioritize the needs of kids or families in making policy decisions. The fact that bars and restaurants opened well before schools here astonishes her. It was the opposite where they are (Colorado) -- many restaurants stayed take out only for a full year, but they found a way to get schools open part-time in August, and that primed them to switch to full-time once vaccines happened. Part of what happened in DC is that the choice to do ZERO in person in August meant that it got harder and harder to open at all. Momentum was lost and people fought for status quo because it all felt unknown and scary. But if we'd just attempted to do some form of in person earlier, we could have built from there as vaccines came available.

The idea that you think there's no way they'd do the exact same thing again is surprising to me. That's the model we've established and no one in a position of power has acknowledged thatistakes were made. [/quote]

How often do people in positions of power -ever- acknowledge mistakes these days about anything?  Our culture doesn't encourage it or reward it in any way.  People just want blood and vengeance, not positive change and certainly not justice.  If you wait on that, you'll be wasting a lot of precious time. I agree totally that mistakes were made, but I have no interest in spinning my wheels waiting from some confession from some school administrator somewhere or any such BS.  I want people to evaluate where kids are now and figure out ways to help them.  Period.  I am not an educator and don't claim to have a grand plan for this, but I would be much more supportive of actions designed to help kids now than wasting time on witch trials.

And what model did we establish?  Looked pretty off the cuff to me.

The fact that people like you and/or your relatives think the next pandemic will be exactly like the last...well, it actually doesn't surprise me.  It saddens me.  It goes right along with the poor a job most people did trying to follow what was going on with COVID.  People throwing around grand statements about "the science" who clearly know nothing about science or how to read it or how to think about it.  My biggest takeaway from the pandemic is that most people completely lack critical thinking skills.   This thread and others like it that crop up every so often do nothing to indicate we've made any progress on this front.

God help us, I hope we don't have another pandemic in our lifetimes, but if we do, do you honestly not understand it will be a completely different virus?  I have little faith we'll be prepared after the last one and esp. when I see threads like this one.  People going on about what they "know" for next time.  You know jack.

COVID was kind of weird that it targeted mainly the elderly but not little kids.  Think about how many things we know of that have a disproportionate effect on the very young, the very old, pregnant women, etc.  What if in the next pandemic, the virus disproportionately kills children (horrifying thought, I know, but this is a hypothetical to make a point).   Will all of you on this thread and others that are "so worried about the children" be advocating to keep schools open all the time through that?  Just because you think that was a mistake for COVID? I sure as hell hope not.  But you talk like you "know" how we need to proceed in the next pandemic when you really have no F-in clue.  No one does until we see what we are up against.  Mistakes will be made while we try to figure that out.  We can try to learn some things from the last one, but if you think you've got it all figured out, you're not only dim, you're dangerous.  You'll resist public health recommendations out of some sense of righting the ship after this last pandemic with no real understanding of the consequences.[/quote]

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