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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]NYT is reporting that the former top Russian commander in Ukraine had advance knowledge of Prigozhin's rebellion, and may have helped him plan the logistics. There are also signs of support from other Russian generals.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/27/us/politics/russian-general-prigozhin-rebellion.html[/quote]

Wow.

Wait. Just to oust Shoigu, who is despised by a lot of people?
... or for a real coup to oust Putin?!?

Because if it's the latter, Putin better watch his back. They're not done with him yet. On the other hand, Putin's been picking off oligarchs one by one, through various means, and Surovikin may be next. But he's just one man, and there's a whole lot of "them".
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Thing is, surovikin isn't really an oligarch though.He's a respected general who earned the nickname of 'Armageddon' for his alleged propensity to rain down unspeakable levels of violence on opponents . If putin—through the FSB—chooses to off him, what are the chances that his loyalists choose not to retaliate?[/quote]

But... where does that leave Putin, then, if he lets other powerful men make very significant decisions for him?

It smells like a "soft coup" from a group of generals in the army. World history tells us that's usually how coups happen, actually.

And then we have Russia governed by hardline, "Armageddon" generals???

Delightful. 
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So many people cheering for Putin's ouster don't realize just how good we have it. He governs in a very restrained manner, and reels in many of the more extreme elements in Russian society.

These people should note that [b]disaffection with Putin is coming from the side that doesn't want to hold back as much.[/b]
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Actually disaffection from Putin's moderate democratic opponents started years ago, PP, but those people went to jail.
You're correct that the only ones willing to use force are the hardliners right now.

However the WORST, for NATO and the world, is if the Russian Federation disintegrates into several lawless regions because no one is iron-fisted enough to take over. NATO has much experience in managing autocratic countries. If Russia staggers from autocrat to autocrat, we know how to deal with that. But if Russia melts down into partisan infighting with nuclear weaponry sold off to terrorists and juntas, then we may have an extinction scenario on our hands.

It's when a nuclear-capable autocrat's hold on power slips that things are at their most dangerous.
This is why every country has their eyes on this conflict right now. 
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The nuclear situation is a disaster [/quote]

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