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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So I'm sure this has been asked and answered in this thread but I can't comb through 30 pages.

Obviously gun control is the answer here. But in lieu of actual sensible reform, why can we not secure these school buildings? I work in a hospital. It's badge in, badge out. No exceptions. There's three big-@ss security guards at every door (and only two entrances). No sketchy teen with a backpack full of anything is getting past these guys.

I'm trying to figure out how an 18 yo blows into an elementary school in body armor with a backpack. Why  wouldn't we start with a simple security fix??

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I worry for your patients if you are this naïve.  You think a gun can’t get past three “big @ss” security guards?  My dear, that is the entire point of a gun- to give the weakest, flabbiest man the power to kill anyone or anything.[/quote]

Ignoring your rude comment towards my patients, security guards are *but one* measure of establishing safeguards around a vulnerable population. Others include ID requirements, badge access, check in/out, etc etc. The county courthouse should not be safer than the elementary school. My point is that building security is low-hanging fruit and should be addressed while we work towards safer gun laws.[/quote]

Doubling down on the stupid, I see.[/quote]

I'm the hospital worker suggesting increased building security. I've been called "stupid"  twice in 4 posts, PP is "worried for my patients". This kind of combative, insulting behavior is why we can't have discussions at this time in our country.

[b]Yes I know you can "shoot your way into a building", as someone else put it. That's not what happened in this scenario, nor is it usually the case. This kid walked into the building. No I don't think "big guys" can stop bullets. Many layers of protection are needed if security is the goal. [/b]

There is nothing that will stop these events other than sensible gun control. Nothing. Most Americans (including me) support that. We have 50 sitting senators not listening to the majority of Americans. So what are we doing about that? Obviously we need to vote them out and lobby for what's right. Also, tomorrow another one of these shootings will happen. Asking aloud what we're doing to prevent another school shooting tomorrow isn't "stupid". Anyone hurling insults, wringing their hands, or "sending thoughts and prayers" without also making practical suggestions is part of the problem. Gun control is the answer. I will do everything I can as a voting citizen to get us there. The question is how we are keeping our kids safe today.[/quote]

You’re actually wrong about this. Two armed school resource officers “engaged” the gunman, but he pinned them down with heavier firearms and was wearing Kevlar. He was able to get into a building, despite getting shot at by armed officers.

“More security” or “armed teachers” won’t stop this from happening when gunmen have heavier weapons, armor, and the element of surprise. All a gunman needs is 60 seconds to kill an entire classroom. No security response can ever be quick enough to mitigate the element of surprise on a soft target. The only thing to do is restrict who can access guns, armor, high capacity magazines, etc. [/quote]

+1. And in my county, Loudoun, they have retrofitted all of the schools so that visitors have to be buzzed in twice - you first get buzzed into a locked entryway and then get buzzed into the office. It’s something I guess, but all it will really do is slow the shooter down and maybe give teacher a few extra seconds to lock doors and pull kids in from the hallway. Someone who wants in will find a way. Or just attend a sports game or something crowded and outdoors. [/quote]

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