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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]PP tech firms do recruit for business majors. 
Although I think the post meant to say that top business firms recruit business majors at UVA while they don't recruit at all at W&M, and top tech companies recruit CS majors at UVA and VT but don't recruit at all at W&M.

A large part of it of course is that W&M is a small enough school that its not worth making the trip there for businesses to recruit vs. UVA or VT.

But that does not change the fact that the lack of top firm recruitment is a negative, especially for such a hard, rigorous and 'boring' school. 
You work hard for 4 years and trade having fun for your future, then you at least want top-notch recruitment and placement for top jobs. [/quote]

Again, unfair with no data.  W&M's Mason business school ranks 14th in the country out of all business schools for 5 year ROI.

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/2020/02/17/poetsquants-top-value-business-schools/

W&M Mason ranks 21st nationally in the Poets and Quants undergraduate ranking.  It ranked 9th in the "Employment" category of the ranking.  Poets and Quants is really the site for BBAs and MBAs these days.

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/2019/12/20/wharton-again-tops-pqs-best-undergraduate-b-schools-of-2020/4/

I'll be the first to give kudos to UVA for undergraduate business.  They are #3 in Poets and Quants.  At the undergraduate level, after Wharton, there isn't a clear #2 and UVA is right there with a select few schools.  The thing you have to remember about both UVA and W&M business is you have to apply in your second year.  They aren't direct admits, unlike a number of other schools.

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No amount of rankings changes the fact that top business and tech firms don't recruit from W&M. Sure, the education might be top class. The recruiting and placement is not top class. [/quote]

Well, the most read website on business education, Poets & Quants (founded by the former Executive Editor of Business Week who did their rankings) ranks W&M Mason 9th in the employment category based on surveys.  And then there is you. . .[/quote]
That the business school is ranked high does not change the fact that the topmost firms in the tech, financial, and consulting industries don't recruit at W&M.
Can you get a great job from W&M? Definitely.
But the best firms in these industries don't recruit at W&M. AKA its not a "target" school

I.E. for investment banking:
JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Lazard, etc. recruit at UVA but don't recruit at W&M

For management consulting:
McKinsey, Bain, and Boston Consulting recruit at UVA but not W&M

For tech:
Facebook, Google, Amazon, etc. recruit at UVA and Virginia Tech but not W&M

So yeah, you can definitely get a good job from W&M. But they need these top firms to directly recruit from W&M in order for W&M to be more attractive to students. 
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I argued that Mason is good.  I didn't argue it is better than UVA McIntire, which is one of the top undergraduate business schools, coming in at 3 in Poets & Quants.  (In my view, UVA's strongest schools are Law, Darden, and McIntire.)

Relatively few undergraduates end up at some of these consulting and investment firms, so I don't think it should be the top thing prospective students should focus on.  In a survey of McKinsey, BCG, and Bain consultants hired from undergraduate school, 0% of the McKinsey consultants were from UVA.  It was 1% at BCG, and 0% at Bain.  Stanford (with no undergraduate business school) had 3.5% at McKinsey, 2% at BCG, and 8% at Bain.

W&M business ranked 15th among all U.S. undergraduate business schools in total first year salary.  (UVA was 4th.)  W&M was ahead of schools like Emory and Notre Dame.  You always manipulate everything to minimize W&M.  There are 600+ accredited business schools in the U.S.  W&M was ranked 21 in Poets & Quants.

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