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Where was that posted?

Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.[/quote]

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate. [/quote]

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

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That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information? [/quote]

[b]Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid  to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers.  This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards[/b]

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area. 
Lorton Station:  736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools.  At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

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Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….[/quote]

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year.  Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder.  So it's just sloppy work.[/quote]

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...? [/quote]

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer. [/quote]

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them? [/quote]

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston. [/quote]

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents. ;)[/quote]

Ok Lorton Station mom, or maybe you’re a Saratoga mom afraid your kids will get kicked out of an AAP center not even in the Lewis Pyramid. It’s pretty hilarious how you keep trying to disparage Gunston parents for wanting to keep their community intact, instead of finding ways to embrace and make the Hagel Circle families feel welcome within their community. [/quote]

What do you mean keep the community intact, Hagel Circle was part of Gunston Elementary and never zoned for Lorton Station. We don’t even go to the same South County like you all. They are part of your community but y’all kept them out!

It’s about the same distance. Lorton station was overcrowded for many years. Check all the capacity limits from 2005-2020. Its boundaries never really changed yet at one point there were 6 trailers. Major issue because it serves two large apartment complexes.

It was made part of scenario 4 for a reason and Gunston Parents on Oct. 22nd threw a fit to keep Hagel Circle out. I WAS THERE!!![/quote]Lorton Station is that way because of AAP![/quote]

There’s one crazy Lorton Station mom in this thread and she’s unhinged. She can’t accept several facts:

1.) Any “capacity issues” at Lorton Station are related to it being an AAP center. The AAP numbers are public and it’s not heavily used by Gunston, Newington Forest, Laurel Hill, Halley etc…it seems to mostly exist as another escape hatch for Lewis zoned Saratoga kids.

2.) Gunston is on a septic system and there are capacity limits and some issues with the system. This was confirmed by the Gunston Principal. Gunston is not a big school, it’s also 70 years old.

3.) Hagel Circle was neatly cut from the Lorton Station borders and sent to Halley 15-20 years ago. This gave Lorton Station excess capacity to set up the AAP center that exists today.

4.) Yes, Hagel Circle used to be zoned for Gunston. This was when Lorton Elementary closed in the 1980s and the only elementary schools in that area of Fairfax County were Silverbrook and Gunston. Look at aerial maps - there was a lot less development. As more development occurred, new schools opened.  If Hagel Circle is going to be moved from Halley - send the kids to Lorton Station, make Gunston a full feeder to South County and send Hagel Circle to Hayfield with the rest of Lorton Station. [/quote]

Could you tell me why Lorton Station should lose the AAP program? Where should it be replaced to?

So you want Lorton station to lose AAP because you Gunston Parents don’t want Hagel circle???? Are you kidding me [/quote]

Are you ESOL or something? No one said anything about Lorton Station losing its status as an AAP center. They should however lose the Saratoga AAP students. Those students should be at Springfield Estates and then Twain Middle AAP along with the rest of their pyramid. It’s weird and doesn’t pass the smell test that just one elementary gets Lorton Station and Lake Braddock AAP. [/quote]

Mr. Dummy, there are about 30 students from Saratoga at Lorton Station. Do 30 students make up for the capacity issues? Wow. You’re a bright bulb.

Gunston has the capacity. Those flimsy excuses made by Gunston parents were embarrassing to hear at the boundary meeting. Haha[/quote]

Kicking out the Saratoga AAP has nothing to do with capacity at Lorton Station. They have capacity as it is. This relates to cleaning up the feeder patterns in the area. Why is Saratoga the only Lewis feeding ES who has AAP at Lorton Station and Lake Braddock? People are rightfully pointing out that it creates a backdoor out of Lewis for people who are in an area zoned for Lewis. That shouldn’t be allowed. They should be at Springfield Estates and Twain Middle (until they start MS AAP at all MS) like the rest of their pyramid.

Really Lorton Station should be the AAP center for its own pyramid - Hayfield. But that would definitely overcrowd the school at this point, Hagel Circle or no. And they should have added an AAP center to Halley when they booted out Hagel Circle, but instead it’s going to get a language immersion program no one asked for. [/quote]

For part 1 of your response, what’s wrong with Lewis? Why would someone want to backdoor out of there?

Part 2, how do you know a language immersion program wasn’t requested? Just because you don’t want Hagel Circle at Gunston, you are calling moves done by a school stupid.

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What’s wrong with Lewis??? Are you dense? Read the hundreds of pages in this thread and other threads. Look at the history over the past 20+ years of neighborhoods being rezoned out of Lewis. It’s one of the primary reasons for this whole boundary review. [/quote]

It may have been one of the primary reasons for the boundary review but they aren’t doing anything about it. Michele Reid is incompetent and Sandy Anderson is a hypocrite. [/quote]

The problem is that they originally stated that they wanted to rebalance based on equities and not just starting with the overcrowded schools. Had they started with "we are reviewing the boundaries of all schools that are over capacity" and then laid out plans to move kids to schools that had space then there would have been push back but less outrage. This started as an opportunity to try and decrease FARMs rates at schools, which make sense except that no one wants to the group sent to shore up tests scores and decrease the FARMs rate. That is doubly so when you are being moved to an IB program.[/quote]

Under-enrollment is an issue just like overcrowding.  The South Lakes boundary review in 2007-08 was conducted because of the under-enrollment there, not overcrowding.

Current FCPS leadership under Reid is completely incompetent, and the School Board is mostly a collection of cowards and liars.  [/quote]

And guess what, there are a lot of Fox Mill families embracing moving to Western because we didn't want to be at SLHS in the first place. People in the neighborhood still complain about that mess. Most people didn't want to move from Oakton to SLHS and are working to move to Western. Our schoolboard rep won't even meet with the Fox Mill PTA because she knows that more people want to move then want to stay at SLHS and she is desperate to keep the school at SLHS. [/quote]

Oakton would have been grossly overcrowded by now had Fox Mill not moved to closer South Lakes.[/quote]

Like Centerville and Chantilly are? Cry me a river. Fox Mill and some of Floris got shafted and moved from a better AP school to a mediocre IB school that they didn't want to be at. People didn't want to move then but we were the smallest group, so we got shafted. Now, kids principal place out to Langley and Oakton and we are stuck driving for AP. It had nothing to do with what made sense and everything to do with who threw the loudest tantrum. Sound familiar? It should because that is what is happening now with the comprehensive review.

If that move had anything to do with SLHS needing more kids, the SLHS PTA specifically said what schools they didn't want to move to SLHS and what schools they did want to move. Unsurprisingly, they only wanted MC and UMC kids. If Fox Mill is not moved to Western you can expect to see a big uptick in principal placement to Western for the AP and new programs because it is close by and carpooling will be stupidly easy. [/quote]
Getting moved to the school [i]much, much[/i] closer to your home is not getting shafted, no matter how much you whine about it. You don't like it, sure, but it isn't unjust or unfair. It's exactly what should have happened and you just didn't benefit so you are pitching a fit over it.[/quote]

Moving from AP to IB is getting shafted. Changing entire programs for people and moving from the common, well known, easy to get college credit programs to a niche program that does not easily get you college credit is getting shafted. People asked for AP to be added and the board ignored them. People have been pupil placing out every year because of this.

And yes, now people are working to move to the school that is close by with AP. It shouldn't have happened, there was no need for the move then. People don't want IB. It really is simple but the COunty wants to ignore the obvious.[/quote]

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