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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Another day in Zelensky’s pointless war.[/quote]

Zelensky is fighting to keep his people from being murdered, raped, tortured.  At least those that can fight back are given that chance with weapons; and these are people who would fight not to live under Russian rule.
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Too bad he can't keep his people from getting slaughtered by friendly fire.  What's that foam from the rabid mouth thing again?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/world/europe/ukraine-missile-kostiantynivka-market.html

The Sept. 6 missile strike on Kostiantynivka in eastern Ukraine was one of the deadliest in the country in months, killing at least 15 civilians and injuring more than 30 others. The weapon’s payload of metal fragments struck a market, piercing windows and walls and wounding some victims beyond recognition.

Less than two hours later, President Volodymyr Zelensky blamed Russian “terrorists” for the attack, and many media outlets followed suit. Throughout its invasion of Ukraine, Russia has repeatedly and systematically attacked civilians and struck schools, markets and residences as a deliberate tactic to instill fear in the populace. In Kostiantynivka in April, they shelled homes and a preschool, killing six.

But evidence collected and analyzed by The New York Times, including missile fragments, satellite imagery, witness accounts and social media posts, strongly suggests the catastrophic strike was the result of an errant Ukrainian air defense missile fired by a Buk launch system.

Someone's being wagged.[/quote]

Yes.  You are.  This video of what Russians did to a Ukrainian city of civilians happened a few months back:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh5m0uEkItw[/youtube]

This is a list of Russian journalists assassinated, so that only the official Russian narratives are reported:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia[/quote]

Did they assassinate the entire corps of NYT too?  [/quote]

That comeback doesn't even make sense.  You must be a Russian troll to be so cold-blooded.

Hey, it's 7:30 PM Moscow time so shouldn't you be signing off soon?  Or are you late-shift?[/quote]

Do you question NYT reporting that Ukraine has hit its own market?[/quote]

Are you comparing an off-course faulty air defense missile that was launched to DEFEND against a Russian missile to the purposeful Russian ATTACKS on civilians? If you are not a troll then you are insane.[/quote]

There aren't really purposeful attacks on Ukrainian civilians by Russia. [b]The Russians have actually been very restrained in their conduct.[/b] The Ukrainians are the ones who deliberately target civilians. They also accidently(deliberately?) attack their own people and blame it on Russia.

Ukraine tries to blame everything on Russia, and for the most part western media goes along with it. Every now and then, like this this market explosion, the media pushes back just a little bit and you get to see Ukraine fly into a rage and "gnash its teeth" as it threatens journalists. [/quote]

Yeah.  It's clear the pro-Russian camp is desperate to try to float this argument.

What I don't get is why any Russian still supports the Russian Government?  Their country birthrate has fallen.  The young are fleeing.  Soon they won't even be able to govern themselves.  It's a dying country.  Even their 'no limits' ally the Chinese make fun of Putin with the 'Putin is a crab' meme.  I think the only reason why Russians still support their Government is the knowledge they could be prosecuted for War Crimes?  But it's clear there will be an internal reckoning within Russia very soon.

"[b]Russia’s Ministry of Labour has requested 230,000 certificates for family members of deceased combat veterans and over 750,000 certificates for combat veterans[/b]"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/230-000-certificates-requested-russia-125603472.html

Now just wrap you mind around this for a moment.  First, it's confirmation that Ukrainian reports of combat losses are fairly accurate.  Second, imagine the shockwaves that will reverberate within Russia once this word leaks out.  And now matter how hard the Kremlin or FSB may try, it will leak out.
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LOL how many family members do you think an average dead in combat has?  Divided 230,000 by four or five and the number begins to shrink a bit, doesn't it.

Also, I hate to disappoint you but the sons of Russian elite have never set foot in Crimea; they are sunning themselves, cheek by jowl with sons of Ukrainian elite, in places like Forte de Marmi (sp). [/quote]

LOL how many certificates do you think do you think will be issued to Aunts, Uncles, distant relatives?

"According to the tender, 200,000 certificates for family members of the victims will be sent to the Russian Defence Ministry, and 30,000 - to the Ministry of Labour and Social Protection. Moreover, the Defence Ministry plans to send 600,000 printed IDs of combatants, 86,805 - to the Ministry of Labour and Social Protection, 60,000 - to the Interior Ministry, 10,000 - to the National Guard of Russia, and 500 - to the Ministry of Construction."

"This is many times more than before. The ministry ordered almost 100,000 printed certificates of combat veterans and more than 23,000 certificates for family members of the deceased in May 2023. The Ministry of Labour and Social Protection signed a contract to print more than 82,000 forms of certificates for combat veterans and about 6,000 certificates for family members of the deceased last summer."

https://caliber.az/en/post/191054/

You're saying that you believe patriotic Russian elites (technocrats and siloviki), SVR, GRU, FSB officers and agents; all don't have son's in Crimea (e.g. they ALL fled the country) along with Solovyov's kids?

You know you just admitted that many of them are traitors to Russia, right?  That they should all be jailed or executed for treason?

Oh, sunshine, you just sealed your fate back home, didn't you.[/quote]

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