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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]ME Forum would not be my favorite source but the article puts together the statistics with links to the sources, which are good.  The statistics tell a story that refutes the position put forward by an earlier PP that no hijab in the West = high rates of STDs relative to hijab countries.

This is simply not true.  I find it interesting that you and PP have sidestepped completely these stats in your responses.  I am not assuming things to fit my narrative--I am offering data that throws into doubt the narrative put forward by a hijab promoter.[/quote]
She's not a hijab promoter. She is telling you why it works for some people. You are tying yourself in knots trying to get her to admit that it shouldn't work for anyone.  I don't get why it is so momentously difficult for you to accept that people value different things and think differently from you.[/quote]

Tying in knots = accidental pun.  The truth is that this thread is full of people trying to convince others that the hijab is neither widely imposed against women who don't want it nor a repressive tool. That's a hard sell.

Think it'll work? Don't count on it.[/quote]
I think this thread is full of people who had their opinions cast in stone before they started it. No one is here to enlighten or to learn.  On either side of the argument.[/quote]

Well that's true.[/quote]

I think certain people here loathe any criticism of Islamic practices no matter how respectful.  I have learned a lot from this thread that I did not know.  A lot of educated people have posted very thoughtful posts on this thread, just because you don't like their conclusions does not mean everyone's opinion was "cast in stone."[/quote]

Yes it does.  When you strip away the bullshit, the conversation went like this:

"Hijabis are oppressed, gullible, brainwashed and I have no respect for them."

"No we aren't."

"Yes you are, you are, I don't care what you say."[/quote]

There has been some of that, yes.  There has also been some respectful dialogue on both sides, and I have enjoyed hearing the viewpoints on both sides.  In America, the arguments start to sound a lot like the SAHM v. WOHM wars, with women making decisions that others disagree with, and all ultimately deciding that we should be making the best decisions for ourselves and our families that we can.  We want to make sure that there is no coercion in this country, and sometimes that can become overly aggressive.  As for women in other countries, our discussion here is unlikely to affect anywhere else, but I have learned a lot.[/quote]

To be fair, there has also been plenty of "women who don't wear hajibs are promiscuous, cause STDs and live loose sexual lives" posts along with a few "atheletic women who dress in clothing appropriate for their sports (shorts, swimsuits, etc) are doing so to tempt men with and to sexualize their bare legs" posts throught at least the latter part of this thread.[/quote]

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