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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's an awful situation. But if I had to go with which mom gets custody, I'd choose the birth mom. I'd have a much easier time donating an embryo than being a surrogate (not that I'd choose to do either).[/quote]

One more time:

The decision should be made based upon what’s best for the child, not what’s best for the moms. [/quote]

Aren’t the two connected? There is an existing emotional bond between birth mother and baby that doesn’t exist with the biological mom. [/quote]

Exactly! And we know this because the gestational mother said in a court filing that she’d really like to swap this baby for her own genetic child (who didn’t exist, it turns out).  :roll: [/quote]

Her supposed bond can’t be measured or proven but biological bonds can be. [/quote]

I think we can infer something about her bond with the child from the fact that she was willing to give this baby up when she believed she would be able to swap it for her own genetic child.[/quote]

Right? Her first order of business was to find the parents. What mother needs to find her baby's parents? [/quote]

Where did the parents ever say that. I thought they said they wanted to track down their embryos and their kid’s bio parents? I didn’t see anything about a swap, but maybe I missed it.[/quote]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-couple-sues-fertility-clinic-allegedly-giving-birth-someone-elses-baby

They intended to reunite this baby with the genetic parents when they still had hope that some other women was pregnant with or had given birth to their genetic child. When they learned that had not happened, they decided to keep this baby.[/quote]

It says nowhere that they wanted to swap the child. It says they wanted to identify the bio parents because they felt they felt they had a right to know and would want the same. The fundraiser refers to the birth parents as the baby’s parents. They express fear that the baby “could be taken from them at any moment.”

I have no how idea you could so heartless and cruel as to read into this that the birth parents wanted to trade babies.[/quote]

Did you even read the article?

This is a quote from the complaint that initiated their lawsuit against the fertility clinic: "They would willingly keep her in their care; however, for the sake of both Shea and her genetic parents, they recognize that Shea should legally and morally be united with her genetic parents so long as they are fit, able and willing to take her."[/quote]

How do we know they’re fit, able, and willing to care for her?[/quote]

FFS. You're truly a sick person. [/quote]

Do you have any idea how IVF works? The parents could easily be 70 years old. We have no info about them! They reached a joint agreement with the birth parents. [/quote]

Age is relevant when income is not?[/quote]

Poor people provide great homes all the time. Dead people can't provide. [/quote]

+1 you would think this wouldn’t need to be explained[/quote]

Who are the dead people in your wild scenario?[/quote]

The people supporting the gestational mother have resorted to making up bizarre scenarios in which she was not only entitled to keep the baby, but where it was practically the only option. One such scenario that they’ve dreamed up is one in which the genetic parents are so old that they’re on death’s door and are likely to die at any minute, such that they’re likely to leave this baby an orphan.

They’re also claiming that the genetic parents may be child molesters.  [/quote]

No, no one is saying that the biological parents are actually or probably bad. The point is that we don’t have any details about them and they reached a confidential settlement with the birth parents where the birth parents retain custody. There could be MANY reasons why this arrangement is in the best interests of the child. It also might NOT be in the best interests of the child. We can’t know because we have zero information about the biological parents, so the possibilities are endless.

And the child molester comment was responding only to the poster who made the ridiculous point that the fact that the biological parents have visitation must mean they are suitable parents. That’s certainly not what it means given that convicted child molesters frequently get visitation yet obviously are not fit to be parents. [/quote]

But you *do* have details. The genetic parents' lawyer has spoken up and said they were devastated but told it would be difficult to win. The genetic parents want the child.[/quote]

The genetic parents have decided to keep their privacy, which is obviously their right. By doing that, they have given up the chance to tell their story. It’s possible that if people knew more about their situation, people would be willing to help them with funds for a lawyer who could make their case.

Most people like to help other people. I think they’d find support and people willing to come forward and help them if their story were known. 
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It's more likely that the genetic parents were required by the birth parents to keep their privacy. The birth parents have all the legal power in Florida and if the genetic parents want any chance at knowing their child, they have to do whatever the birth parents insist.

They are in a precarious situation. If the genetic parents decide to tell their story and get public support and donations for legal help, that will anger the birth parents and probably violate the visitation schedule they offered to the genetic parents. So if they ended up losing in court, they would have no contact ever again with the baby.

Do you take the small chance that you might win and risk never seeing your child again? Or do you take the offer to have visitation and stay private?

The unfortunate thing is, if down the road the child shows any attachment to the genetic parents, these birth parents (well, birth mother since they aren't even married) will do anything to snatch the child back legally and make further visitation very difficult.

The birth mother has shown her cards by initially saying she wanted to find the genetic parents when she assumed they had her genetic baby in a switch-up. It sounds like she would have handed over the baby in exchange for her own genetic baby. But once she found out she had no genetic baby of her own, she then changed her mind and probably saw this baby as maybe her only chance at being a mom. What a selfish mother who isn't doing the very thing she would have wanted another mom to do had that mom gotten her genetic baby. She has shown her true nature and it's very self centered and not thinking at all about what is best for the child.[/quote]

+1 and we don’t know what the biological parents have planned with their custody rights. They could be waiting on one little mistake by Tiffany or get their baby back……[/quote]

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