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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous] And, to be clear, she can do the same. Nobody's forcing her to make a "magical" holiday experience. If you don't enjoy it, stop.[/quote]

I mean, these things are important, to a degree.

But if I'm operating under extreme resentment and loathing because my spouse cannot or will not participate in the child's lives, I'm editing my mental load and protecting my mental health. [/quote]

Millions of people live perfectly fine lives without ever celebrating Christmas at all, ever. This shit is entirely optional.[/quote]

That’s total bullsh*t. Depriving your kid of cultural celebrations isn’t abuse per se but it’s really bad parenting. This is obviously just a cope to claim that traditional women’s work has no value. [/quote]

So people who don't care about Christmas are abusers? You're mental. Get help.

Women's work has value so they should limit how often that value gets tapped without compensation or reciprocation. If you can't figure out how to do that without "depriving your kid of cultural celebrations" you shouldn't have had kids. The radio plays free Christmas music, every mall has a santa, holiday lights are probably all over your neighborhood and walking is free. You don't have to pay money or time to celebrate the holiday, should you choose.

It's "total bullsh*t" that this thread is this long and some of y'all still can't figure this out for your allegedly-grown selves, let alone the children you love and overprotect so damned much. God help their future spouses![/quote]

All of those things you listed take time. And you probably should not have kids if you don’t want to create a happy home for them. [/quote]

So you want to create a happy home? Like this is a choice you make because you want it, not a burden thrust on you? [/quote]

I want men to take equal responsibility to create a happy home and not freeload on women and then if called on it, claim that the only thing kids need is food and water. [/quote]

You do realize that men will say the same thing, except with regard to breadwinning.[/quote]

Literally 45% of women make the same or more than their male spouses. If men want to complain about breadwinning, they should be consistently breadwinning.[/quote]

*of working women [/quote]

Right but the vast majority of mom work -- about 74% of mothers are in the workforce.

Moms who are SAHMs aren't really part of this conversation because they aren't engaged in the juggle of work and home. They may have their own concerns, but this conversation is specifically about marriages where both parents work but women are doing the lions share of child and household related tasks.

And a component to the is conversation is that often the men WANT their wives to work. They want that second income. Which fine, a lot of us want to work. But when you've made an agreement to both work so you can double your income, but then most of the child and household stuff falls on only one of the working partners, it's not fair. It's that specific situation that women in this thread are complaining about.

If you want a woman who will handle all the kid and household stuff, be up front about it and be ready to be the sole breadwinner while she takes on that job. If you want a woman who is going to work, you better be read to share the kid/household stuff. The men who want working wives who also do all the kid/household stuff are freeloading.[/quote]

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