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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's amazing how often this poster brings up this Curie and TJ thing.

Ultimately though, even if this ridiculous fairytale were true, [b]the admissions response was not to fix the testing process but instead remove testing almost entirely.[/b]

People also forget that there were two other tests, but those are gone as well.

The unnecessary reference to "conservatives" reveals what this is really about for them.[/quote]

It is worth noting that initially, this was a necessity because under COVID-19 protocols at the time, it wasn't realistic to ask 3,000 applicants to sit for a proctored exam during the worst phase of infections and deaths. This would have had to happen in January or February of 2021 and there was no way it would have worked.

I actually would have been fine with maintaining some testing structure - the existence of the tests wasn't the problem, it was their use as a gatekeeping element. A student under the previous system could have scored in the 99th percentile on both the Quant-Q and the ACT Aspire Science, but if they scored in the 74th percentile on the Aspire Reading, they'd be ineligible to be semifinalists. That process was broken too.

There's nothing wrong with testing as long as it's used as a data point amongst many others in a holistic admissions process and cannot be used by outsiders as evidence of racism in the process. Unfortunately, that's precisely what happens when parents of students whose strongest metric is their exam scores claim that admissions officers are dinging their kids on personality scores because of race - when it's actually their personality.[/quote]
But they threw out testing. Fine. Now no one can leverage that advantage. But then they punished kids for what their parents do for a living, so instead of equalizing the advantage they just shifted it to another group of kids.

And even further, the lack of differentiation of curriculum in middle school, maybe norm’s for each county, also punished kids who take more rigorous workloads.

They didn’t even consider base schools when assigning their 1.5% to AAP centers.

They achieved their goal. But the results coming in also confirm the critics concern. [/quote]

DP.  No students were punished for what happened.  Nor were students punished who want to go to TJ, no matter how much you complain on their behalf.[/quote]
Yeah penalized in the admissions process is more accurate. [/quote]

Sounds like you may not be familiar with the current admissions process.  No punishment, no penalization.  [/quote]
Some kids receive points because they get free lunch. Kids whose parents make a certain amount of money don’t. Seems like a penalty that is out of a kids control. [/quote]

Look at the admitted students.  It doesn't help much - but those students are no longer totally locked out of the admissions process as they were before.[/quote]
1 in 4 students in 2021 were economically disadvantaged. Seems like it had an effect. Removing the testing does the same thing. Removing the testing should have been enough to negate a lot of the wealth advantage that is seen in standardized testing. But nope, needed to actively penalize the other kids for something they could not control.

An interesting change was the young scholars exception for the honors course requirements, yet another penalty levied against kids for things they can’t control. I’d be curious to know how many young scholars got in.
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