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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Huge cultural chasm here. America does not have the same testing traditions you find in just about every other country in the world. Americans believe in never quitting more than they believe in winning. That's why footbalk teams that lose hard fought games get celebrated almost as though they won.[/quote]

The difference is every other country in the world has clear rule and transparency.

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Another difference is that America rewards persistence. Many other countries give you just one chance to measure up in life. Not so in the USA.

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Test measures persistence.  It's for 12 years of persistent education
Also they do reward persistence with sort of GPA together with Test

I don't care if you do GPA only Test only GPA + Test, GPA + Test + whatever.

The important thing is clear rule and transparency.

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the only thing you are asking for is how much was spent on making sure those scores were achieved. that's it. and not an amount, a percentage of income. if a 400k family spends 40k and an 80k family spends 8k its the same type of leg up, it is. 
I am so tired of test prep being a replacement for intelligence and capability. [/quote]

Same for GPA, ECs, Essay, etc.
I think test score is at least most objective and fair, so that disadvantaged intelligent and capable students get chance to compete.

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Standardized testing has racist origins in the U S (and was used to justify segregation in the military and schools)., is culturally biased ( "pre test" questions that were answered correctly by most blacks were thrown out), and today is more a reflection of household income , test prep, and superscoriing.

Not even close to objective.

Most of the 1,900 colleges that are now test optional will remain after the AA ruling.

Good.[/quote]
+1

Those arguing against this are just upset their kid has "lost their advantage" of privilege.  Also, they apparently do not understand the numbers---there are simply many more kids with 1400/1450+ SAT and "qualified for elite schools" than there are spots.  So most will be rejected.  Nobody is entitled to a spot at an elite school, nobody.  Once you recognize that and plan with great "target schools" you will be happier.  Focus on the goal---getting your degree and starting a career, which can be done at a school ranked #30[/quote]

There are good schools even from #31 through #200 or so.

People are obsessed with T25s.

Expectations for college admissions need to get reset.[/quote]
OK, then tell that to the URM who apply to T25.  Tell them they should aim lower T100 to T200. It fits them better.[/quote]

URMs can apply to whatever school they want - just like everyone else.

The colleges will decide, T25s included.[/quote]
I don't hear people telling high stats URM to aim low to T100 to T200. I only hear people telling that to Asian Americans, "There are plenty of good colleges out there".

Yes, they can apply to wherever they want to, but apparently certain schools discriminate against only one group.[/quote]

Ummm, because the majority of High stats URMs already have plenty in the 50-200 range on their list, including ones they know they can AFFORD.  They apply to the T25 as a true reach and hope they get in---if not they are not complaining, they likely will just attend the local state u with 80% acceptance rate that gives them a full ride because they NEED affordable, and closer to home means minimal travel expenses.  Majority of high stats URMs don't attend T25 schools. They don't feel entitled to that and don't complain if they don't get in or cannot afford it.  They are realistic and not jaded by expecting to get everything they want in life---they learned a long time ago to work hard and keep working hard even if you don't get what you want.  [/quote]
It may surprise you, but a lot of Asian American kids also apply to T50 and below.

[b]And the reason why high stats URM don't complain is because they already know that the system is rigged in their favor.[/quote][/b]

No, not complaining because it isrigged in their favor, but aware these institutions have been reflections of existing racial and socioeconomic inequities across society for a very long time.[/quote]

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