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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Huge cultural chasm here. America does not have the same testing traditions you find in just about every other country in the world. Americans believe in never quitting more than they believe in winning. That's why footbalk teams that lose hard fought games get celebrated almost as though they won.[/quote]

The difference is every other country in the world has clear rule and transparency.

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Another difference is that America rewards persistence. Many other countries give you just one chance to measure up in life. Not so in the USA.

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Test measures persistence.  It's for 12 years of persistent education
Also they do reward persistence with sort of GPA together with Test

I don't care if you do GPA only Test only GPA + Test, GPA + Test + whatever.

The important thing is clear rule and transparency.

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the only thing you are asking for is how much was spent on making sure those scores were achieved. that's it. and not an amount, a percentage of income. if a 400k family spends 40k and an 80k family spends 8k its the same type of leg up, it is. 
I am so tired of test prep being a replacement for intelligence and capability. [/quote]

Same for GPA, ECs, Essay, etc.
I think test score is at least most objective and fair, so that disadvantaged intelligent and capable students get chance to compete.

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Standardized testing has racist origins in the U S (and was used to justify segregation in the military and schools)., is culturally biased ( "pre test" questions that were answered correctly by most blacks were thrown out), and today is more a reflection of household income , test prep, and superscoriing.

Not even close to objective.

Most of the 1,900 colleges that are now test optional will remain after the AA ruling.

Good.[/quote]
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Those arguing against this are just upset their kid has "lost their advantage" of privilege.  Also, they apparently do not understand the numbers---there are simply many more kids with 1400/1450+ SAT and "qualified for elite schools" than there are spots.  So most will be rejected.  Nobody is entitled to a spot at an elite school, nobody.  Once you recognize that and plan with great "target schools" you will be happier.  Focus on the goal---getting your degree and starting a career, which can be done at a school ranked #30[/quote]

There are good schools even from #31 through #200 or so.

People are obsessed with T25s.

Expectations for college admissions need to get reset.[/quote]
OK, then tell that to the URM who apply to T25.  Tell them they should aim lower T100 to T200. It fits them better.[/quote]

First, plenty of URM never even think of applying to T25 because it's so outside of their world when their parents do not have college degrees and are struggling just to keep the lights on and food on the table.  So the group of "qualified URMs" is already much much smaller than everyone else at a T25.  And many of them do end attending "lower ranked schools"---they attend the local state U that has a 60%+ acceptance rate and will be affordable and an easy drive from home.

However, it is Harvard/Stanford/any T25 choice as to how they build their freshman class.  They see value in a URM or lower income student with only a 1500 and it's their right to admit them.  I tend to agree that kid getting a 1500 means more than your 1%er getting a 1580.  That kid will work harder and contribute more to the university over 4 years, and if Harvard thinks that, they will offer them admissions.  Fact is outside of athletes, nobody with just a 1200 is getting admission to Harvard.  So stop arguing that your kid with a 1580 is "better than a kid with a 1450+"---the difference is only in your head.  Harvard has concluded that "1450ish is the cutoff" or whatever level and from there they look at other factors.  And yes, I'd like my kids to attend colleges that are diverse. [b] If you want an all asian college, you can apply in India or china and achieve just that. I want diversity on all levels. [/b] [/quote]

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-1 no one stated that they wanted all Asian Americans in the college.  And you are racist, implying that Asian Americans should "go back to their country".[/quote]

Not racist---married to an Asian American, so I intimately understand both systems, having had a spouse go thru both sides.  They much prefer the US system and are grateful our kids are not going thru the other system.  Just sick of the few posters who keep wishing our system was "like china and India"---those systems exist and if that is what you want, then yes you are free to send your kids there.  The fact you want to send them to a US school indicates that yes, our system overall is a better system.  There are many faults with the China/India/Much of Europe way of tracking kids at an early age.  I hope we never do that in this country---I don't think it's beneficial.

But complaining it's not fair your 1580 kid got rejected from highly rejective schools is ridiculous.  Fact is most kids get rejected.  But yes there are plenty of excellent schools out there, so focus on ones your kid can get into, and apply to the Reaches and reach for the stars, if it happens great, but if not, your kid is not forced to attend school #4001---many other excellent choices, some even better than the T25s you are so hell-bent on attending.[/quote]
China and India aren't the only countries that don't use  the "likeability" factor. The UK doesn't; Canada doesn't.

Only the US uses it, and it started with trying to discriminate against Jews.  Now, they use it to discriminate against Asian Americans.

If a 1580 kid was rejected over a 1550 kid, I can understand that. But, if you look at the stats, it shows that stats for certain groups are *much* lower than Asian Americans.  The bar for Asian Americans is higher already than for URM, and these colleges made it even higher by adding in the ridiculous "likeability" factor (again, used to historically discriminate against Jews).[/quote]

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