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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm kind of shocked by how sanctimonious some people are so quick to condemn this marine, when they themselves are sheltered from the problem, and don't expect to be in a situation threatened by mentally ill people roaming the streets.

Someone actually suggested giving him some water, lol. All you sanctimonious people need to go out and see the problem for yourselves. Get out of your protected bubble before you condemn this marine.[/quote]
You’re telling on yourself. There are a lot of people in this thread who aren’t sheltered from this problem and do live in cities and take public transportation. None of us have killed anyone, though.[/quote]

Nor have you been punched in the face receiving a broken nose and broken orbital bone? [/quote]
The people he did that to had just cause to kill him. The guy who killed him did not.[/quote]

That seems to be the crux of things. Allegedly someone in the car suggested he loosen the hold and that the man seemed to be dying.

We really are heading in a direction where basic safety and order seems to be a thing of the past and where a sense that it is provided by government actors no longer exists. The number of addicts, mentally ill and ineffectively supervised convicts roaming around is legitimately putting many in fear in public places.

A big unspoken reason that institutions were closed is cost. Of course, that was dressed up with other narratives.

The status quo is a predictable effect of decriminalizing so many things and making them misdemeanors. In the past people could be offered MH or substance treatment, compelled, in leiu of a longer jail term. Now the carrots and sticks are gone from the toolbox. It is a part of MI and addiction to lack insight. Even short stints in jail used to offer a chance to detox from street drugs and get a clearer head. Now that is not happening. Large open air drug scenes are allowed to flourish and many current street drugs cause brain damage.

CA has taken steps to make it easier to involuntarily commit but it has not made a dent in the scale of the problems they are facing and that they helped create by drawing with cash payments, as DC draws for housing vouchers. As more and more leave LE scary to think where all this will go as more and more feel hypervigilant and driven to protect themselves in shared public spaces. Being trapped in a moving subway with violent people of all backgrounds is terrifying. Bernie Goetz shot people, to literally choke the life out of someone with your hands over many minutes is something else.

Has it been clarified why he was perceived as an immediate danger rather than someone ranting about wanting to be locked up again for 3 hots and a cot? [/quote]

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