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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote] You just had unrealistic expectations from the beginning. The locus of Ivy-bound kids in this area has always been TJ and the MCPS magnets/RMIB. If your kid wasn’t going to get in there, they weren’t going to get into an Ivy. When you pay for private school you do not actually pay for the strivers and the “smartest” - those kids have always been in public. What you pay for is getting into a namebrand SLAC of some sort, especially if your child is less impressive. In some ways your kid working hard at the private was a waste. They could have coasted with the same result - that is actually what you paid for![/quote]

This is complete bs.  The smartest kids have definitely never “always been in public,” any more than they have always been in private.  Most kids don’t want or try to get into TJ or RM, it has nothing to do with not being able to get in.  Your scenario is a fantasy, since 30-40% of Ivy classes come from private.  And what private school families pay for is a rigorous curriculum with smaller classes that teach students how (not what) to think and write, not college admissions.  [/quote]

Who said that 30-40% are the smartest? They certainly may be connected. But even with those stats it’s evident that the majority of Ivy kids don’t come from private. I’ll say it again - the *whole point* of private is to protect your children’s privilege to be average and still get into a great college. The brillian strivers going to MIT are in RMIB. Your “big 3” kid is not that smart and hardworking - and that is the whole point: they do not have to be. It’s the literal definition of privilege. 
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I believe 50% of Ivy students come from private school while 50% come from public. Given that 90% of students in the US go to public school, this means that, other things being equal, private school students are heavily favoured for Ivy admissions. Parents are upset because the outcome is much more unpredictable than it used to be and all colleges and universities have become much more competitive. [/quote]

No, whatever the stat is, it means that most public school kids don't even apply to college and instead go into trades or other professions. Only something like 42% of Americans have a college degree. https://www.bestcolleges.com/news/analysis/2021/07/01/how-many-americans-have-college-degrees/

And another huge chunk of public school kids don't even apply to ivies, or the ivy accepts them with small FA so they choose a SLAC or state school that offers more aid instead. Ivies don't offer merit aid. We know several middle-class kids who turned down ivies, but DC went because we were full pay.

Geez, people.[/quote]

no, it also means that those who could afford elite private High Schools are also largely the group that can afford to be full pay at an Ivy.   The public school kids that don't even apply to ivies often don't because they know they can't afford it so they stick to schools that give merit and state schools[/quote]

Another way to look at this is that the Ivys have more kids from the top 1% of wealthy families than the entire bottom 50%. Why is that if the Ivys are supposedly generous with financial aid. Almost all of the kids from the top 1% most likely go to private schools. There is a clear bias towards private schools in Ivy admissions. It has dropped a little bit though which is a huge shock to the system.
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The full-pay students pay for the FA students is why, plus whatever the school takes from their endowment in a given year.

So yes, private school families have a "hook" simply by being high income/wealth, to the point where they can afford to do ED without worrying about FA, and the college knows it can use their tuition to cross-subsidize others. My kid got into a USNWR top 5 from public, and I credit being full-pay for part of that.

It has nothing to do with public vs. private, but with income/wealth.[/quote]

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