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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So I'm sure this has been asked and answered in this thread but I can't comb through 30 pages.

Obviously gun control is the answer here. But in lieu of actual sensible reform, why can we not secure these school buildings? I work in a hospital. It's badge in, badge out. No exceptions. There's three big-@ss security guards at every door (and only two entrances). No sketchy teen with a backpack full of anything is getting past these guys.

I'm trying to figure out how an 18 yo blows into an elementary school in body armor with a backpack. Why  wouldn't we start with a simple security fix??

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I worry for your patients if you are this naïve.  You think a gun can’t get past three “big @ss” security guards?  My dear, that is the entire point of a gun- to give the weakest, flabbiest man the power to kill anyone or anything.[/quote]

Ignoring your rude comment towards my patients, security guards are *but one* measure of establishing safeguards around a vulnerable population. Others include ID requirements, badge access, check in/out, etc etc. The county courthouse should not be safer than the elementary school. My point is that building security is low-hanging fruit and should be addressed while we work towards safer gun laws.[/quote]

Doubling down on the stupid, I see.[/quote]

I'm the hospital worker suggesting increased building security. I've been called "stupid"  twice in 4 posts, PP is "worried for my patients". This kind of combative, insulting behavior is why we can't have discussions at this time in our country.

Yes[b] I know you can "shoot your way into a building", as someone else put it. That's not what happened in this scenario, nor is it usually the case. This kid walked into the building. No I don't think "big guys" can stop bullets. Many layers of protection are needed if security is the goal[/b].

There is nothing that will stop these events other than sensible gun control. Nothing. Most Americans (including me) support that. We have 50 sitting senators not listening to the majority of Americans. So what are we doing about that? Obviously we need to vote them out and lobby for what's right. Also, tomorrow another one of these shootings will happen. Asking aloud what we're doing to prevent another school shooting tomorrow isn't "stupid". Anyone hurling insults, wringing their hands, or "sending thoughts and prayers" without also making practical suggestions is part of the problem. Gun control is the answer. I will do everything I can as a voting citizen to get us there. The question is how we are keeping our kids safe today.[/quote]

You have no clue what happened at the Texas school because they have not released the details. Your hospital’s security measure will not stop a shooter but you keep bring it up. Why? Do you have any expertise in security? Do you know the capabilities of an assault rifle? Do you know the specifications and cost to construct a high caliber bullet proof entry way to your hospital or school? Do you know how to draw up a defense plan to provide overlapping fields of fire with final protective fire? What type of weapons and how many “security” personnel should man the check point? Most likely you would need at least 12 full time personal depending on the size of the school. Those people will need time off and training so you will have to double that number. Now you need support services and administration…so add some another 2-3 people. What type of training should these people have? Who is going to pay for your security? What about the shooter who drives up with a truck? Now you need crew served weapons. Maybe you think the schools needs clear fields of fire 600 meters out from the school? You can never have enough security. 
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