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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The US is not a meritocracy. If it were, a STEM major from a random university would get the same or better job opportunities than someone with a social science degree from an Ivy that they were admitted to as a legacy.[/quote]

Engineers coming out of college make more than social science majors.[/quote]

Yes, on average they do. But it depends... like implied originally a social science major from an Ivy can easily make their way into many very high paying jobs almost immediately if they want to. But that isn't because the system isn't a meritocracy. [b]It's because many of those ivy social science majors are actually very intelligent and talented.[/b]

Engineering degrees are not that valuable, and STEM education overall is hugely oversold. I have an engineering degree. It was never that useful.[/quote]

You will never convince me that a sociology or women’s and gender studies degree is harder than a STEM degree from basically anywhere. SO MANY talented kids go unnoticed because of the recruiting practices you’re supposedly fine with.

Lots of recruited athletes in sports no one cares about, donor kids and legacies gliding into elite consulting firms. Meanwhile the first Gen kid who paid their own way to get a physics degree with a high GPA from “podunk state” is forgotten.[/quote]

Does it matter if it's harder? Just because something is harder doesn't mean the person engaging in that something is any good. Engineering is sold as some great thing but reality is it is a pathway to a lifetime of middle class irrelevance. We have more than enough STEM graduates in this country, by all reasonable accounts. The politicians push STEM because it sounds good and is better than pushing people into the careers that made them wealthy, like law.[/quote]

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