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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]A thread on the new information that has come out about Kamila Valieva:

https://twitter.com/rockerskating/status/1491976679278977024?s=20&t=R5C7uMMUh--nrs92tdQXCQ

I mean... you can't make this stuff up. So, the organization with the jurisdiction to determine whether Kamila could or could not compete was... Russia's anti-doping organization (RUSADA). Russia can't compete as Russia in the Olympics because of their [i]state-sponsored doping[/i]! It's honestly laughable.

Thankfully the ITA is appealing the decision but who knows how long it will take. Will she be allowed to compete next week while still under investigation with the possibility of her medal being taken away at a later date? I just got a New York Times notification about this so it has definitely gone mainstream. There's no way she can skate under these circumstances, right?! Can you imagine what that would be like? What a mess. [/quote]
This is bonkers. According to WADA rules, all medals and titles between the date of test and date of suspension are revoked. RUSADA isn’t denying the validity of the test. How is a DQ of ROC in the team event even still a question? How does RUSADA have any jurisdiction given how often they’ve been caught cheating. Russia isn’t even allowed to compete as Russia because of their doping! Wow, I bet there’s going to be a huge overhaul to the rules next games. Hopefully they’ll actually protect children from being doped and letting all the adults get away with it. [/quote]

That’s my biggest worry- that Kamila will take the fall and Eteri and the team doctor can go right along continuing to dope these young girls, just being more careful with the timing (clearly they screwed up if this was a sample taken during Russian nationals).  Apparently the doctor has been with the team since 2018- right around the time this crop of girls was coming up.  There’s been evidence for a while that the Sambo skaters are overtrained and underweight, so it wouldn’t be surprising they were being doped also.

Clearly the right decision is to suspend Kamila but I feel bad for her- the adults in her life have really let her down by both ruining her skating career and potentially her long term health.  [/quote]

I feel really bad for her too, but at this point it’s not about protecting her. All the other figure skaters need to be protected from a system that only allows those who take banned substances to excel to the highest levels.

Sorry, I think the Russians have a glorious figure skating culture and history, and will always be competitive. But this dominance over the last few years of Russian teenagers, c’mon, you had to know there was A LOT of shenanigans going in to suddenly rise to this level, this quickly. It’s not just illegal doping, that’s probably only one part of it. There’s just no way this one country all of a sudden has this glut of generationally talented girls, when all the other ice skating nations- S Korea, US, Canada, etc, just can’t compete. Doesn’t pass the smell test, and hopefully now they have the proof. [/quote]

PP here and I agree- but I guess that goes along with what I was saying that I have doubts whether the responsible adults will face any consequences.  If Kamila gets banned but Russia carries on with their antics, then the other skaters aren't getting protected either and we're back for waiting for a screwup/positive test.  Would WADA, the IOC, etc. be able to investigate the club further, or would that only come from Russia (which we know would never happen).  Like someone should really be taking hair samples from the other skaters.

And its not just one country having this group of generationally talented girls, most of them come from one club in particular.[/quote]

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