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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]"It’s the responsibility of the person holding the gun to make sure it is not loaded. Period."

Says who? In a normal situation when a person voluntarily shoots a gun without supervision, sure.

[b]But lets say I am an actor with little or no knowledge of guns. I attend the required gun safety meeting.(Union was still there for that.) It's explained that the armorer will check the weapon. After that, the assistant director will check it to make sure it isn't loaded, and then hand it to me.[/b]

Here the gun was one of 3 guns on a cart outside the building. The armorer had checked them. The AD grabbed one off the cart. He was supposed to check it--despite several comments above that that wasn't his job, it sure sounds from reported protocols that it was.  He probably should have attempted to fire it outside. We don't know it he did. Then he came into the building where AB was and handed it to AB saying "cold gun." Cold gun means there are NO blanks in the gun.

I don't think it's all that awful if the actor, who is not familiar with guns, assumes that the armorer and AD have checked the gun and there's nothing in it. AB might have thought the AD tested it outside the building where it was safer to do it. And he probably assumed that both the armorer and the AD were far more capable of checking the gun than he is.

Now there are reports that there were previous misfiring incidents. Company's release says there were no written complaints of any.

There is absolutely NO substantiated reports of ANY claim that the misfirings involved the same gun BaLdwin was using. Nor is there anything to indicate AB was aware of the misfirings. Please don't give me the "he was the producer" line. There were 3 other producers and an execurive producer.

Some of the claims that the union's complaints included gun safety were made AFTER the killing.

Neither the armorer nor the AD started working on the film after the union members quit. I have not seen ANY evidence that the presence of "scabs" was causually related in any way to the killing.

Personally, I think the union behaved badly by putting out the report that the gun had a live bullet, knowing full well that readers would think this means regular bullets.

Why don't we wait and see what the police investigation shows.

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There’s a special kind of ‘I’m above it all because I’m the star’ arrogance that comes with that statement. Does not surprise me it came from someone who probably lives in the DC area, where the basic attitude is “I’m above it all - the peons do that for me”.  When YOU handle a weapon, YOU are responsible for what comes out of it. I took safety lessons from a Navy Seal, and this was the first rule of thumb. The second was do not point a gun at anyone unless you intent is to kill”. So EVEN IF I’m a famous so-and-so, if the weapon is in MY hands, I not only know HOW to check that weapon, I CHECK IT. Trust but verify.[/quote]

^. Another example of someone spouting off about something they don't know anything about. [/quote]

What part of this is not logical? The arrogance in this area is beyond anything I’ve ever experienced - does your maid or butler do everything for you?[/quote]

I don't know anything about actors and guns.  But I listen to those people who know.  And they say the actor is not supposed to check.

But you know better.  Because you know better.[/quote]

Why. Because the actor is above it all? Don’t handle a gun if you don’t know the basics regarding safety re: handling that weapon.[/quote]

^ Arrogance.[/quote]

Arrogance is handling a deadly weapon, expecting others to have ‘cleared it’, aiming at someone and pulling the trigger.[/quote]

Look at you clumsily pretzeling your argument because you hate an actor. Find some dignity. [/quote]

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