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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I’m sorry I don’t believe half the stories on here about bva. Someone here has an agenda [/quote] +1 I did work there and while a lot of the scary stories are really outdated and overblown, the general vibe I got from this thread to keep my eyes open served me well. I kept my eyes on the exits and had the opportunity to leave well before the end of my first year. I had a nice judge and met lots of nice people, but I got the vibe that there is a lack of stability with supervisor turnover. I didn’t like the work - it was okay. I was not going to have to work overtime to get it done and a lot of people don’t - people love to swap efficiency tips and your supervisor wants to know you are working hard to make quota and will help you if you are not a pain to them. They like to help you set goals and prioritize, so play the game. Basically, though, there was nothing I saw that made me want to stay there. I didn’t want to do a rotation to KM because I’d risk losing my awesome judge. I didn’t want to become a supervisor in charge of 40 attorneys working for 4 different judges. I didn’t want to become a judge. I got out and while I don’t dig the fear-mongering posts on here, I owe them a debt of gratitude for keeping me grounded and aware. So apply for the job if your options are limited, but if you take it, do not stop job searching. It may work out for you at BVA and you want to stay but keep those options open until you know you can do the job and know you want to do the job.[/quote] Congrats! Did you have other legal experience prior to coming to the BVA? It seems from these posts that bva skills are non transferable. [/quote] BVA experience is so specialized that it’s not useful for most attorney positions in both the federal government and the private sector. While BVA experience won’t hurt an attorney, it generally doesn’t help. Most of the people who left BVA joined SSA as decision writers. BVA attorneys with prior litigation experience have an easier time finding other opportunities. That’s not to say that BVA attorneys with only BVA experience will never be able to transfer to a non-decision writing attorney. Career decision writers can and do find other non-decision writing attorney jobs at other agencies; however, they usually can only qualify for entry level GS-11 non-decision writing attorney positions[/quote] only for low prestige ones right? There are decision writer jobs at the USPTO but you have to have gone to a good law school to get that job[/quote] I agree that USPTO is more prestigious than BVA and more selective. However, from what I hear, the USPTO trademark examining attorney position is very stressful due to the high quota. BVA appears to be only slightly worse than USPTO. I say worse because while both BVA and USPTO have very high quotas, the level of bullying that *some* judges at BVA engage in is truly next level and career destroying. [/quote] I even wrote my law review note, which is published, in a trademark issue. It has been cited in many law review articles, Callmans on Unfair competition, a property law casebook, and I didn’t even get an interview for the trademark examiner job. At least with the BvA I’d have decision writing experience and I could demonstrate an interest in trademark law from my note. It may have made a difference. But then again my law school isn’t a prestige school. [/quote] It's going to be interesting to see how USPTO will retain people now that more agencies are embracing full time WFH. I can imagine some employees are going to jump ship at the thought of not having to deal with quotas and still get to enjoy the full time WFH that USPTO provides.[/quote] is there any stuff online about people complaining about uspto like with the bva? I knew a guy who worked at the uspto now he is in the private sector in IP law[/quote]
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