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Why? Not everyone has the same extracurricular opportunities or desires. Why look at things like  science Olympiad placement when 1) not all teams are treated the same or perform the same, and 2) not all students who would be interested or willing to participate are able to due to family constraints?[/quote]

because it's another proxy for kids whose parents have been working towards TJ since they were born- it's a great compromise for them. [/quote]

To the 2nd PP:  No.  It's because at some point, elite means elite.  It means that the kid is actually performing at an extraordinarily high level.  It shouldn't mean that the kid may or may not have unrealized potential that hasn't actually manifested in any way, but the kid writes a good essay and gets good grades, so good enough.  For what it's worth, very few of the highly prepped kids have particularly impressive achievements, so this wouldn't actually help them.  It's much easier to prep for a single standardized test than it is to achieve at very high levels on things like AMCs.

To the first PP:  It doesn't have to be math or science, but the kid should demonstrate some sort of significant achievement in something.  Maybe it's receiving a high placement on an essay contest or earning debate awards.  For the kids who don't have means, I'm fully in favor of pushing more resources into the FARMS schools to ensure that high performing kids have the opportunity to pursue things like math contests, science olympiad, robotics, etc.  At some point, though, the kids need to perform at an elite level to go to the elite school.

It's kind of like picking an orchestra.  Some kids are naturally quite talented.  Others have been taking private lessons for a very long time.  Some only have had school lessons, but have the talent and drive to do well.  Others don't.  When they pick the kids for the highest orchestra, they're going to pick the kids who are the best at playing their instruments.  No one is going to insist that a kid who is playing at a high level doesn't deserve the spot since he's just privileged, practices too much, and has been taking lessons for too long.  [/quote]

Oh, and for the orchestra piece - It's not like picking kids for an orchestra or a sports team or whatever. If anything, it's like picking kids for a FRESHMEN sports team, where your program is going to develop the kids to eventually play for the varsity. And the kid who has maxed out their talent because of overprep might help you win freshmen games, but that kid's ceiling might be a lot lower than another kid who has less experience but a ton of potential. They're probably both making the team, but if you take too many of the former, your varsity will be hurting years down the road.[/quote]

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