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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Still waiting for you to say, "Oh, I was wrong. It turns out Colleen Hoover did tell Justin to tone down the sex in the movie, and it turns out Sony was not pushing for the R rating -- Justin was. I see now that I had incorrect ideas about what happened and might not not know as much as I thought I did."

But if you need to spin out first, ok I guess. Do you need to talk about how Ryan is closeted and they're gonna get divorced and how hot Justin's abs are? Go for it babe. I know it's hard.[/quote]

I wasn’t wrong though. Sony and Colleen and Blake seemed to have different visions. You will recall Colleen handpicked Justin to tell the story and pushed him to play the lead. Why rewrite history.

Justin realized early on Blake was very self conscious and was more than willing to work with her. She was the one who was improvising kissing scenes with him. You are just leaving a lot out to fit your version of the story.

The rooftop scene she sent over had that totally gross and inappropriate term. And the scene was over the top. [/quote]

You were 100% wrong. I told you Colleen had told Justin that she wanted less sex and more romance/build up in the movie, and you told me it "never happened." I then proved it happened with the actual texts where she said this, and you now claim you never said what you obviously said -- it's in writing in this thread, and then claimed Sony was forcing Justin to make an R rated film. I then disproved that with direct evidence showing that it was the opposite -- Justin wanted to do an R rated film and Sony was skeptical, and their only hang up about a PG-13 film was whether Colleen felt her book readers would be interested. And she very firmly said YES, book readers wanted a PG-13 film because the sex was way less important than the emotion, and Colleen herself wanted teens to be able to go.

Blake wanted a PG-13 film with less sex, probably partly because she just doesn't do a lot of sex/nudity in movies (a known issue that Wayfarer must have been aware of when they hired her) but also she seemed to just think it was a better way to tell a story about a woman who is a DV survivor for an audience of mostly women.

Colleen wanted a PG-13 film because as an experienced romance writer and a consumer of both romance books and movies, she truly believed that audiences (women like her) would prefer more emotion and less sex, and in fact would feel uncomfortable or put off by too much sex or too explicit sex, and she wanted teens to be able to see the movie and for it to be accessible.

And Sony was a little more ambivalent but was not pushing for an R film at all, they viewed it from a business standpoint in terms of what their ratings team would recommend/approve, how the movie would sell, and what Colleen's built in audience would want.

They were all essentially in agreement.

Only Justin wanted to make a graphic, highly sexed, R rated movie. And there are THREE women telling him that maybe that's not a good idea, and he thinks they are all wrong.

Maybe Justin wasn't the right director for this film.[/quote]

Well, Colleen choose him to be the director. So maybe you should trust women to make decisions about adapting their work into movies.

You are missing the 30,000 foot view. Getting hung up on this one fact and missing that none of the case was about this. Blake had a lot of complaints about what happened on the set, but the crux of the case was not that she felt forced to do sex scenes.

Justin met with the intimacy coordinator and expressed a vision for more of a female centric version of things than what we usually see and they agreed on an oral  scene with Blake. Blake was not interested in doing it….so they dropped it. that was not part of her complaint, she just didn’t want to do it. Much like the lift scene. It was just dropped, and it wasn’t a point of contention.

So I don’t know why you are harping on this point as if it makes a difference in the case. If you want me to admit, I didn’t remember that exchange between Colleen and Justin, OK I will admit that. Thank you for bringing that up. But it doesn’t change the basic tenant that you are wrong that Blake was trying to save them all from this terrible sex filled movie and that was what the lawsuit was about.

You’ve also are conveniently leaving out that has the director, it was literally Justin‘s job to align on Sony with some things and they were pushing for a very different vision. Have some sympathy for him trying to meet people in the middle because that’s what he was trying to do. And even if there were another director, they would be in that exact same position between Blake and Sony and the two very different visions.

As the Sony executive said, respectively, there is no process that would work for Blake. And that is why she will never step foot on another film set again. [/quote]

Sony's vision for the movie was a film that made money. They didn't push for an R rating, and the ONLY reason they ever thought the movie needed more sex is because Justin had told them the book was filled with sex and that Colleen's fans wouldn't accept a movie with less sex. Sony's own ratings team was worried that the amount of explicit sex and language Justin was proposing would get them an R rating. Movies with R ratings are a problem for studios -- it's hard to earn box office because it cuts your target audience down.

So they told Justin to go to Colleen and see if she thought her readers would embrace a movie with less sex. And her response was unequivocal: Yes. In fact, she thought they would prefer it.

Why did Justin want such a sexual movie? Most people who read the book understood that the story was about Lily realizing she was being abused and choosing to leave so that she and her daughter could escape that cycle. It's literally the title of the book and movie. As Colleen says, there are only 2-3 sex scenes in the book and it is not what readers value most. So why is it what he wanted? No one else,including Sony wanted it. Why did he?[/quote]

Again, the rantings of a woman living in a fact free world.  Touch grass.[/quote]

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