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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Girls ECNL Final Standings

2007
Brave - 12
Union - 3

2008
Brave - 4
Union - 8

2009
Brave - 13
Union - 7

2010
Brave - 5
Union - 2

2011
Brave - 7
Union - 10 (not 9, typo in reported score)

Predictions for FVU based on all data available, trends, head to heads, clustering of teams in the same W-L range, etc.  This is subjective feel free to argue differently but in the end conclusion is not much change:

2007 -- good luck for your future playing careers

2008 -- 2nd-4th range, three teams with eight wins so may be close in that range but CL playoffs expected.  Heard this team is mostly Brave?  Not much change to next year.

2009 -- 6th-9th range, same as this year.  Heard this team is mostly Union?  Not much change to next year.

2010 -- 2nd-4th range.  Drama here, both Union and Brave are strong but some expect that FVU won't have the same mojo as Union this year.  Hard to see anyone unseating Charlotte so 2nd place is likely the ceiling.

2011 -- 7th-9th range.  Also drama here, heard more Union than Brave but Union finished very weakly this season.  Hard to see anything above 7th.

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During your analysis, did you have the opportunity to review any video?  I finally got a chance to watch the Brave 2010 team, and it was quite surprising. Important note here, this is a direct shot at the COACH. The gameplay I saw resembled a SOAD mosh pit more than a structured sport. Then I find out the coach has an A license 😂 You cannot make this up.

Your conclusion that the Brave 2010 squad is strong sounds off. This has train wreck written all over it.

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Brave 2010 have talent particularly up top but they play such basic ugly kickball soccer. It’ll be eye opening for them when they age up into the MYS coaches. Build through the midfield? What’s that. Let’s just kick it up and hope our forwards can score![/quote]

The Brave 2010 coaches (boys and girls) are far more interested in playing possession soccer than the McLean teams I've seen. They've likely learned more at Barcelona and Ajax than they did in the USSF A license course. If the teams are playing ugly kickball soccer, it's because they're not listening. Or they're just not that good. Or, to cite another DCUM thread, they're listening to parents instead of the coaches.[/quote]

The Brave coaches were at Barcelona and Ajax? [/quote]

Not as employees, no -- but one of the coaches in question is from the Netherlands and learned there rather than here, and the other in question is one of a gaggle of US coaches who have done some time at Barca. (The actual one -- not the US knockoffs.)

Points are (A) they've got experience outside the USSF A license, unlike a lot of MYS coaches, and (B) they are absolutely committed to possession soccer. Not like the Arlington kickball teams I've seen. (Arlington has a lot of coaches and teams, of course, so I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. But yeesh -- I've seen some horrible "big kid at back boots it to fast kid up front" play.)

So if they're not playing possession soccer, they don't have the players to pull it off. (Which could speak to the training at the clubs that feed into BRAVE or their ability to retain their best players, which Vienna used to do relatively well on its own for a non-ECNL/GA club.)[/quote]

Possession soccer? You obviously have never seen a brave girls team play. Do you think all Duch soccer coaches learn to coach at Ajax?[/quote]

I know the coach in question. I’ve talked at great length with him about possession soccer. If BRAVE teams aren’t playing possession soccer, it’s because they can’t. He knows what makes good youth soccer. I don’t know if he’s able to recruit and retain players who can play it.

Wouldn’t be the first youth team whose coach preaches possession that can’t actually possess it because they’re physically and perhaps technically overmatched. [/quote]

If he’s been coaching the same team for years, is it the coach or the players fault? If you think he was trained at Ajax, I have a beach house in Vienna to sell to you.[/quote]

How long has Brave existed?

Facts getting in the way of a good story, I know. [/quote]

Brave was formed from the merger of long-standing area teams.

BRYC had a storied history particularly in women’s soccer.

FVU should recognize this history even if they don’t think Brave’s most recent players are worthy of making their rosters.[/quote]

Please share more about BRYC’s storied history in women’s soccer, I’ll wait. [/quote]

Are you serious?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/olympics/longterm/locals/hamm1.htm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1989/05/29/shooting-stars-win-easily-in-dougherty/e8a94d0c-0dc8-4f05-aac8-46efc9d846ad/

https://vadcsoccerhof.demosphere-secure.com/hall-of-fame-members/hall-of-fame-bios/jill-ellis

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1983/05/31/cougars-win-regional/ec040ebe-27c4-43a2-bc1e-bcdeef61d902/

https://www.usysnationalleague.com/past-usys-national-champions/

https://dt5602vnjxv0c.cloudfront.net/portals/27433/docs/state%20cup/va%20state%20champions%201991-2000.pdf [/quote]

Who cares? Seriously? How is this relevant?[/quote]

It's not relevant, but PP who wasn't aware looks ignorant.[/quote]

Exactly.

You can certainly make the case that the storied history is irrelevant because it's so far in the past. You can't make the case that it doesn't exist.

Like Washington's NFL team. The fact that they won some Super Bowls in our lifetimes means nothing when it comes to today's team, but those Super Bowls did indeed happen.[/quote]

What’s crazy with BRYC is that they were really, really good only about 5 years ago…but it may as well be 30 with the way they have run it so hard into the ground.[/quote]

What age group was good 5 years ago? I've never seen a winning BRYC girls team. Across several of my kids' age groups they've always been epically bad. [/quote]

Their older age groups - that are now in college - like 02s, 03s - and their 06s before Mikey left to VDA.[/quote]

Did not develop any of the younger age groups though. Mikey caught lightning in a bottle with the 2003 group.[/quote]

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