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[quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous]I've been watching this thread, and actually met a woman wearing a niqab today.  I went to Costco after work and got stuck in a line where there was a price check/food stamp issue that lasted for what seemed like forever.  The Muslim lady behind me was really nice.  We didn't want to get out of the line and go into another really long line, because - murphy's law dictates when we do that the issue will be resolved and we will be stuck in a new crazy long line.  I was a bit scared of talking to her, but when I struck up a conversation about how I always seem to get in the line that has "problems", she was super nice.  It was a bit strange only seeing her eyes, and she had a small daughter also wearing a veil but we were stuck in the line for a long time so we talked a lot.

I felt weird that the things I were buying were bacon, dog treats, and alcohol, thinking she would judge me, but she was really cool.  This is not a troll post.  After talking to her for a while the veil didn't really make a difference, I could judge her personality from our interaction.  It has made me feel differently about my previous thoughts on niquab.

I still don't really understand it, being an atheist and not liking religion very much, but it definitely bothers me a lot less after interacting with a woman who wears it. [/quote]

I'm glad you had this experience and are sharing it. I think usually we are scared of what we do not now.  I can understand how the niqab can be intimidating,  and many would be surprised that under the veil,is just another woman who is not that much different from us. The more these conversations happen, I think,  the better it will be for all of us.  We are not that much different after all. Oh and don't worry about what you had in your cart, she would not judge you for that,  just like you didn't judge her for her niqab. [/quote]

I don't like the niqab (or the burka, where you don't even see the woman's eyes), I am not scared by it and I am not intimidated by it.  I don't like what it symbolizes, the need for a woman to cover her body completely leaving just two pupils out so she can see obstacles,  so men cannot see her.  all the explanations I have read about it (are frankly the same explanations are given for the need of separate areas in buses or sidewalk in ultra orthodox areas in Israel, so this issue is not limited to Islam, although with the iqab is more visible) are that no part of the body of the woman should be seen by men who are not her relatives so she cannot "provoque" impure sexual thoughts and desires in random men. even women who wore it and said they did it willingly and happily said that they felt free because they could go aroung without sexually arousing men or getting unwanted sexual advances.  I find this profoundly wrong and sad. as we all know, there is absolutely nothing in the Quran that says that women should weak a niqab, so wearing is not a religious requirement. it is not by chance that the countries where the niqab originated in the Arabia peninsula are places where women have no voice, cannot drive, do not leave their homes without a man, have very limited opportunities to work.  I am not surprised that under the niqab the poster found a nice woman like her (and found very funnny that the poster was grateful to the niqab clad woman for being "cool" about her bying pork and alcohol - I wonder why she thought the woman was going to judge her). the poster should have asked the niqab clad woman if she waws working and what job.  a trial attorney? a federal judge? a surgeon? an airline pilot? even an airline hostess (none of the hostesses of the Saudi Arabia airline I saw at Dulles wore a niqab, they all had a veil on the hair, but otherwise they w3ere normally dressed)? or a mailwoman, the one who walks around your neighborhood putting the mail in mailboxes, or the fed ex person who rings at your door so you can sign for the package? or the metro bus driver, your child school teacher, the one who spends her day with him and his classmates every day and see you at the parents-teacher conference or during the field trip you chaperone.  I bet that nice woman is none of these things.  failing to see that a hijab does not prevent a woman from having a normal life, but a burka does is disingenous.  this has nothing to do with fear of the unknown, this has to do with recognizing reality.[/quote]
Women are not supposed to wear a hijab or niqab so they won't arouse men. That's ridiculous . Those who wear their hijab or niqab do it as part of their spiritual journey. Whether you believe that or not,  whether you think it' s demeaning to them is irrelevant. [b]Also your point about asking if that woman had a job and what type of job she has is a bit condescending. Many American women do not have a job, many are stay at home moms, by choice[/b]. Are they less than you because they don't have a job?  Your judgemental notions and ideas are what's wrong with society today.  We need more of the PP and less of you in the world! [/quote]

you are purposely putting words in my mouth I never said,. there are plenty of SAHM in the US (as SAHD) and they are not less then me or you. I simply pointed out that while with a hijab you can have a normal life and do whatever you want, which can be stay at home with the kids or be a neurosurgeon or a metrobus driver, with a niqab you cannot.  you conveniently chose to twist my words so you did not have to address what I was actually saying.

as for beign ridiculous that the  nature of the iqab, the history of the garment, where and who have been using it for centuries, clearly supports what I am saying ( interestingly men in the Arabic peninsula never felt the need to do their spiritual journey while clad in an iqab).  when the talibans captured Kabul and imposed the burka under penalty of death, do you think they were concerned by the spiritual journey of the local women? I know there are plenty of women in KSA and elsewhere who choose to wear it, it is part of their tradition, like women in India wear a sari.  but the origin of the garment is to make a woman's body invisible to the outside world and it is not by chance that the iqab originated in a place where women traditionally do not leave the house without a man.

thanks for pointing out that the world would be a better place with less people like me. you are wrong. I have never ever imposed my opinions with violence on anybody, I am a foreigner in the US and I live here and I accept and respect the laws of this place where I am a guest.  I strongly desagree with a lot of things here, some of them I find them wrong or offensive or funny, but I still show respect for what clearly is  important for others.  if there were more people like me, frankly I doubt the world would be worse off[/quote]

I am not putting words in your mouth.  You have repeated the same thing again, stating that American women who stay home choose to do so,  well have you ever considered that some niqabi women also choose to stay home?   And that some of them have a job? Thank God not everyone is narrow minded and I know of niqabis in the US who have an actual job, outside of their home,  heck one even works at a public school in California.  Is it more difficult for them to get a job? You bet,  but it's their choice.  And May I remind you,  that many niqabis do not live in the West, they live in Muslim countries where their niqabs do NOT prevent them to get a job, as niqabs are part of the cultural norm. And yes,  the world needs less of you send more of the PPs, I still stand by that!  [/quote]

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