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[quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima]

I understand social pressure quite well and I am telling you one more time that it is a fallacy that Muslim women who live in Muslim Countries cover due to social pressure. Seriously? Saying this is as ridiculous as saying non muslim western women are forced to wear a dress due to social pressures. I will repeat it once again, I have never felt any pressure to cover my head while living/visiting any muslim country, my mother, siblings, cousins, aunts, ect do not wear a hijab/niqab, not one of them ever felt pressured to wear one, not one of them were shamed for their lack of hijab/niqab in Muslim countries. And saying that whether this has anything to do with religion is irrelevant is intellectually dishonest. You are not in the culture forum, this is the Religion section. Talking about Muslims and equating the actions of a few Muslims you know, or the life of your in-laws in Saudi at that as the reality of Muslim Women is misleading at best, and dishonest at worse. I am not saying that somewhere, somehow, there isn't a Muslim woman forced to wear a burqa or  being " pressured" to wear a hijab, but there is a difference between those women's plights and your attempt to generalize other cultures into very belittling and untrue stereotypes. [/quote]
You know, you repeating things doesn't make them stronger.  Stereotyping works both ways - a Muslim woman happy to cover and a Muslim woman pressured to cover are both cliches that do not do justice to the full diversity that exists in the world.   What makes you think that your experiences are somehow more legitimate than experiences of my Saudi inlaws? You are both but one person.  They don't describe the world of Muslim women, but neither do you or your mother. Your happiness with your hijab and some other woman's resentment of it are both equally legitimate stories. Neither of you defines Muslim womenfolk.

What does this have to do with what forum we are in?

I think what's intellectually dishonest is your refusal to admit that social pressure to cover exists just because "you" personally never experienced it.  Clearly, if you never felt something, it must not exist. Go take a flight on any airline out of any hub in the Gulf - Kuwait, KSA, Qatar, you name it.  Count how many covered women enter the aircraft, and how many are still covered when they exit the plane.  Many will still be covered.  But many would also begin a well-studied trot to the bathroom as soon as the plane gains cruising altitude, and emerge in full battleface makeup and sexy outfits.

And just to bring it back to the point at hand - there is no movement to allow men to wear gold or silk because men are already free to wear gold and silk despite religious prohibitions since there are no social costs imposed for doing so.  Argue with that, if you can.

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OMG,  do you take the time to actually read what is written? I never said social pressure didn't exist.  Social Pressure is obviously present in every society, but your idea that it is the norm for women to cover in muslim countries is false. My family and friends in the Gulf do not cover for societal reasons/pressures, I actually do not know a single person who covers because they are "pressured" to do so, and yes I have lived in a 90+% Muslim country. The fact that you know some Muslim women who do this doesn't make it the Norm. I have never denied that this exists, just like some women are forced  to wear a hijab in muslim countries, some women are also forced to prostitute themselves in non muslim countries, these things exist and happen everywhere. Your narrative that this is somehow the norm is false and misleading. As far the experience of your Saudi IN-Laws, of course they are not representative of Islam. I do not consider Saudi Arabia the beacon of Islamic enlightenment and  actually not many Muslims do. You couldn't pay me enough to move to KSA! And your best example is that of women who take off their hijab when their plane lands on American soil and wear provocative outfits to embrace american liberation, lol. I guess western women that I see wearing an abaya and a headscarf as soon as the plane lands in Kuwait were all pressured by American society to wear miniskirts and stilettos and felt liberated to finally put on an abaya, a headscarf and relax  :lol: funny enough, the only people I see who pressure themselves this way are non-muslims, recent converts,  married to ME men who try to "fit in" thinking they will be "accepted" by dressing the part.

There is no movement to allow men to wear gold and silk because the narrative has always been to present Islam as the religion that oppresses women. What social costs are women facing who choose to wear their hijab/burqas freely in the west? There are people lobbying constantly against their right to wear their hijabs/burqas as they see fit because it is somehow against the values of freedom and liberty. Anyhow, this is my last post on this, no point in repeating  the same thing over and over.[/quote]

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