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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Charter school parents: We want DC to way over-spend on our facilities too (albeit without the big gratuity to developers). Any money that WTU negotiates for their dues-paying teachers is owed to our teachers too. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS has failed us. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS is violent. We can't take any students that have to or want to leave other charters; DCPS needs to take those. Even as we take away half the kids from DCPS, we don't want to have any part is helping solve the messes that DCPS has to deal with -- that is other kids' problem. Basically, we want the equality for all the good stuff but avoidance for all the difficult parts.[/quote] More like… DC charter parents: Follow the law which says funding parity. DCPS: But we have to pay our teachers more, they are in a union. Your teachers aren’t in unions so they shouldn’t make as much. We also get no money for buildings, they come from the DGS fairy. Why do you need money for facilities? [/quote] Some of them are in unions though. They do get a facilities allotment. Explicitly. Have your opinion but please stop spreading false information.[/quote] Does that $2000 per kid for charters equal $5 billion for DCPS? Absolutely not! What is DCPS spending on Tubman, $200k per kid? And they will provide maintenance going forward. [/quote] I don't now where the $5 billion figure comes from. However, $2000 x 50,000 students x 20 years = $2 billion, so that's real money. [/quote] DC has spent $3.6 billion renovating DCPS schools, and plans to send another $2 billion more. [/quote] Ok, we know some of that was ill-spent (the effort to make underenrolled high schools appealing), some inefficiently spent (yay Bowser and her developer friends), some spent to benefit the community in addition to the schools (pools), and some spent initiatives to benefit the community that make no diffetence to the kids (energy efficiency). We also know that DCPS has to deal with the schools already has, that can't easily reject a difficult property. Charter schools would surely spend more efficiently [b]can choose properties that make most sense in this era[/b], amd need not worry about investments for the larger community. So presumably they need less money for the same number of students over at the same time. Is the current allocation fair? I don't know. Maybe not. But I do know that you need more complete information to make a meaningful comparison.[/quote] How? They already have buildings. Just like DCPS. Do better.[/quote] Some charters have bought or leased buildings in the past 20 years. Others are still expanding or plan to move. None are tied to properties they acquired 50 or 100 years ago.[/quote] Oh stop. DCPS is building Taj Mahals. They spent almost $200 million on Duke Ellington, which has maybe 600 students. Meanwhile, there is no such thing as a fancy charter school in Washington D.C. [/quote] The Duke Ellington renovations were a complete abuse of taxpayers. We all should have been mad -- and we were. For anyone who missed it, here's a good, short article on the fiasco: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/education/taxpayers-pay-millions-for-over-budgeted-school-renovations/65-474821677 It's still not clear what mismanagement--and possibly graft--last decade has to do with funding schools now. So have any palaces been built in recent years? I haven't seen it. Banneker is looking great, but was not bonkers like Ellington. Seems like the process has been tightened up. Maybe somebody here can share details? [/quote] Tightened up? DC is spreading the money far and wide (at least for DCPS) and thinks nothing of spending $100 million on a school with 500 kids. Duke Ellington -- $180 million Coolidge -- $160 million Jackson-Reid -- $130 million Dunbar -- $125 million Roosevelt -- $125 million Woodson -- $100 million Tubman -- $100 million Deal -- $100 million JO Wilson -- $91 million Cardozo -- $90 million Deal -- $90 million Ballou -- $90 million Jefferson -- $90 million Burrville -- $85 million Truesdell -- $80 million Oyster Adams -- $79 million Burroughs -- $75 million Janney -- $70 million MLK -- $65 million Dorothy Height -- $63 million Garfield -- $60.5 million Anacostia -- $60 million[/quote] The maga tactics are exhausting. You keep repeating this talking point but with skewed use of the data. When you attach years, school size, ES vs HS, and condition of prior building to the list, then we can have a well-founded conversation! Except for Coolidge, the biggest items on your list happened in the early and mid 2010s. Which $100 million dollar renovation for a 500 person school has happened since then? Let's talk specifics. I care about spending education money on students and teachers! But this "discussion" based on decade-old recycled outrage is annoying.[/quote] You are a terrible (and egregious) liar. Here's a small sampling of the recent ground breakings and ribbon cuttings Bower has announced for these supposedly old projects: https://mayor.dc.gov/release/mayor-bowser-dedicates-dorothy-i-height-elementary-school-ward-4-following-63-million https://mayor.dc.gov/release/mayor-bowser-cuts-ribbon-829-million-truesdell-elementary-modernization-celebrates-first-day https://mayor.dc.gov/release/mayor-bowser-breaks-ground-65-million-modernization-martin-luther-king-jr-elementary-ward-8 https://mayor.dc.gov/release/mayor-bowser-celebrates-first-day-school-and-cuts-ribbon-modernized-oyster-adams-bilingual https://mayor.dc.gov/release/bowser-administration-breaks-ground-burroughs-elementary-school [/quote] Bowser is absolutely obsessed with fancy school renovations. They make her developer donors happy, they create the illusion that she actually cares about education, and the lady loves a ribbon cutting photo op. [/quote] I don't think it's just Bowser. We are ruled by social justice warriors who oppose raising academic standards in schools, who oppose creating gifted and talented programs, who oppose getting rid of teachers who are bad at their jobs. If you oppose all those things, but, as a politician on the city council, you need to somehow show your support for schools, what do you do? You support over-the-top renovations of school facilities (but not for charters, because every good social justice warrior, especially the ones living in Ward 3, knows charter schools are evil). [/quote] Who are you talking about? As a teacher, I know we have been begging to RAISE standards and DCPS and the mayor laugh. And though I teach in DCPS in general yes charters are ‘evil.’ Funny how no other nation has to privatize PUBLIC education but the US and we are STILL doing poorly. However, the nuance is a little different in DC compared to places like Louisiana for example. I do not think DC charters are overall ‘evil.’ But to give them the exact same benefits would be unfair. My principal has to fight tooth and nail to NOT do some of the nutso anti-science things DCPS pushes, whereas a charters makes its own choices. They are by definition private public schools. I haven’t seen a decrepit charter school filled with mice/rats, if that’s incorrect feel free to name some. There are DCPS schools like Kramer MS filled with rodents. I hate going there for PD’s, in fact I skipped the last one it was so gross. FYI, if you speak on teachers make sure you get your facts straight. We can be fired at the drop of a hat. If there is a poor teacher it’s because they are friends or friendly with their boss. [/quote] So DCPS pushes “nutso anti-science things”, but charters that provide an alternative are evil? Wow. Just curious, are the charter students evil? Or is it just the teachers and parents. Why so much hate? [/quote] No one still can answer why charters should get everything DCPS gets and get to create almost all their own policies entirely? I don’t hate charters but if you want the exact same funding then they should be exactly the same as DCPS. Make it make sense. DCPS still serves the kids charters don’t -higher proportions of students with significant IEPs, unhoused students, kids who’ve been pushed out. The capital investment reflects those obligations and the fixed infrastructure costs of being the school of last resort.[/quote] The city is spending $9,675 more per child at DCPS. If a school has 900 kids, that's an extra $8.7 million for that school every year. And charters have more at-risk kids (most kids in Wards 7 and 8 go to charters, while charters are almost non-existent in Ward 3) and more special-ed kids. [/quote]
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