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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Still waiting on that “secular” historian list.

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Look at the reference list.[/quote]

The first person listed is Ehrman so clearly not a list of secular historians. 
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He's agnostic.[/quote]

Aside from questioning the supernatural aspects later in life, he’s about as Christian as you can get. Evangelical. Wheaton. Seminary school. New Testament scholar.

Not secular. Not an unbiased historian.

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Give us the list of secular historians you believe are unbiased.[/quote]

For starters, the ones who didn’t study theology and go seminary school. The ones who don’t use the Bible as their primary source. 
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Who? Give us their names please? You have avoided naming these professionals for pages/days. You just keep repeating the same comment over and over again like a bot or troll.

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Which professionals? Are there any real historians who have analyzed this? Maybe they couldn’t find enough unbiased evidence to publish one way or another. 
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It's hard to keep track of who is responding to who, but I can tell when it's time for an intelligent person to take his ball and go home, realizing you're discussing with someone who is determined to always have the last word so he can declare victory, and does so not through reasoned discussion or critiques but a nah nah nah fingers in ears rejection of everything. It's boring and tiresome. Go ahead and have the last word. Shriek hysterically that nothing is still proven while ignoring the questions actually asked of you. Good luck.[/quote]

You may be intelligent - good at math or maybe have a photogenic memory or something, but if you believe in God, you're dumb about that.  Maybe you like the idea of living forever.  I can see why.  It sounds good to me too, but I know it's not realistic. [/quote]
Historical, brilliant giants like Newton, 
Pascal, Kepler, Galileo, Boyle, and Mendel were devout. Modern examples: Francis Collins (led Human Genome Project, evangelical Christian); John Polkinghorne (particle physicist turned Anglican priest); Arthur Peacocke (biochemist, Anglican priest); Nobel winners like Arno Penzias (physics, theist), William Phillips (physics, Methodist), or Gerhard Ertl (chemistry, Christian).

From 1901-2000, ~65% of Nobel laureates in sciences identified as Christian (or had Christian background), ~20% Jewish (many secular, but some theistic), and only ~10% atheists/agnostics overall (Shalev, 2003). Disbelief is higher in literature/peace categories.

Intelligence doesn’t dictate atheism or theism. Smart people land on both sides because God’s existence isn’t a settled empirical fact like gravity—it’s philosophical/metaphysical.

Eternal life does sound good. Whether it’s realistic is the real debate, not whether wishing for it makes someone foolish.
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I wish for eternal life too.  I just know it's not gonna happen.  It doesn't happen to any other living thing (like our beloved dogs and cats that we "put to sleep"), and it's not gonna happen to me, whether or not I'm religious and believe that I'll live forever with God in Heaven.  I'm lucky to be alive and healthy right now.[/quote]

Other people believe differently than you, and they have just as much right to their beliefs as you do yours.[/quote]

They may have a right to their beliefs. They dont have a right to impose those beliefs on others. Sadly, that is mostly what happens. [/quote]

It'also sad because it is all based on fiction.[/quote]

Jesus as a historical person is not considered fiction by mainstream scholarship.

Jesus the man existed and walked the earth, according to the overwhelming consensus of historians, including:
Christian scholars
Jewish scholars
Atheist and secular scholars

The idea that Jesus was entirely invented (the “mythicist” position) exists, but it is fringe and not the academic norm.[/quote]

So you're the "walked the earth" person.  OK -- That doesn't mean Jesus was God.  I walk the earth too.  So do you and everyone else.  We're not God.[/quote]

So you admit Jesus was a real person? [/quote]

It's not a matter of admitting anything.  I'm the one who doesn't care if Jesus walked the earth or not.  Whether or not he's a real person, he's not God[/quote]

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