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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think I finally figured out why this entire thread - starting with post 2, not the OP - feels so odd.

The goal on the part of the atheist poster(s) is not to convince anyone. It's to dunk on the religious. It's "own the believers," the nasty culture of our politics come out to play in what should be a philosophical discussion.

Is this really fun for anyone?[/quote]

IDK,

I'm Catholic, many times people will say Christian's believe X and Ill say not Catholics. Or a Catholic will say the pope says Y and Ill say the pope is fallible, he isn't creating doctrine. It's nice he said that but okay, I can disagree with the pope.

I'm not dumping on anyone, I'm just pointing out something that is not correct.

Atheists do the same thing. It's not dumping to say "that is not correct". Just like b[b]elievers say show me proof there is not god[/b]... that's a valid point not dumping.

I also think most people can have a conversation they have points and counter points and are not open to learning.[/quote]

Believers saying show me proof there is not god is not a valid point. As has been pointed out numerous times, its not possible to disprove. However, the inability to disprove something does not also make it true. [/quote]

It's actually that you can't prove a metaphysical, not that you can't disprove a negative.

Can you prove that love exists... no. 
Can you prove that love doesn't exist... no.

Not because they do or don't but because it's not physical. [/quote]

Love increases dopamine levels and activates certain portions of the brain. 
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1 Corinthians 13.1-13

The Gift of Love

If I speak in the tongues of mortals and of angels, but do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give away all my possessions, and if I hand over my body so that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never ends. But as for prophecies, they will come to an end; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will come to an end. For we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part; but when the complete comes, the partial will come to an end. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways. For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then we will see face to face. Now I know only in part; then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known. And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love.

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