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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Huge cultural chasm here. America does not have the same testing traditions you find in just about every other country in the world. Americans believe in never quitting more than they believe in winning. That's why footbalk teams that lose hard fought games get celebrated almost as though they won.[/quote]

The difference is every other country in the world has clear rule and transparency.

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Another difference is that America rewards persistence. Many other countries give you just one chance to measure up in life. Not so in the USA.

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Test measures persistence.  It's for 12 years of persistent education
Also they do reward persistence with sort of GPA together with Test

I don't care if you do GPA only Test only GPA + Test, GPA + Test + whatever.

The important thing is clear rule and transparency.

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the only thing you are asking for is how much was spent on making sure those scores were achieved. that's it. and not an amount, a percentage of income. if a 400k family spends 40k and an 80k family spends 8k its the same type of leg up, it is. 
I am so tired of test prep being a replacement for intelligence and capability. [/quote]

Same for GPA, ECs, Essay, etc.
I think test score is at least most objective and fair, so that disadvantaged intelligent and capable students get chance to compete.

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Standardized testing has racist origins in the U S (and was used to justify segregation in the military and schools)., is culturally biased ( "pre test" questions that were answered correctly by most blacks were thrown out), and today is more a reflection of household income , test prep, and superscoriing.

Not even close to objective.

Most of the 1,900 colleges that are now test optional will remain after the AA ruling.

Good.[/quote]
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Those arguing against this are just upset their kid has "lost their advantage" of privilege.  Also, they apparently do not understand the numbers---there are simply many more kids with 1400/1450+ SAT and "qualified for elite schools" than there are spots.  So most will be rejected.  Nobody is entitled to a spot at an elite school, nobody.  Once you recognize that and plan with great "target schools" you will be happier.  Focus on the goal---getting your degree and starting a career, which can be done at a school ranked #30[/quote]

There are good schools even from #31 through #200 or so.

People are obsessed with T25s.

Expectations for college admissions need to get reset.[/quote]

THe 25-50 range is filled with T25 rejects and some who smartly chose "fit over ranking". People need to realize there are smart kids at all schools in the T200 and in the T30-60 there are A LOT of really smart kids, because that is where those who get rejected from T25 go. It is easier to be a star/get research positions/work with Profs at a 25-50 school where only 25-40% are T25 candidates and the rest are "just below".  Parent need to reset their expectations and realize rankings mean little---the advantages for attending an elite school are largely for the disadvantaged, if you are already T1-5% your kid still has those advantages/connections no matter where they go.  [/quote]

The lawsuit should be against the entities doing these rankings for creating a false market.[/quote]

Smart people just ignore the rankings---we use them as a starting point--one of many.  But then we go based on fit, fit fit....my kid will succeed best where they are happy and fit in, not where USNWR says is the "best school"[/quote]

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