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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I just say I’m not religious[/quote] As do I. People usually just interpret that as I don’t go to church vs. I don’t believe in a higher power. Or I say I was raised Catholic (true) but don’t expand. I think atheism is like the last taboo thing in the US. I think it’s changing as young people distance themselves from religion. [/quote] More taboo than, say, BDSM, being either progressive or MAGA in the wrong crowd, or talking about your STD in public? The victimhood is strong.[/quote] Victimhood? I said taboo lady. I don’t see myself as victim. But surveys have shown that Americans (not the younger ones) don’t look too kindly on atheists. I don’t think I’m going to be persecuted but I just don’t want to deal with the follow up questions/assumptions of saying I’m an atheist. I also don’t feel the need to debate people on their beliefs. Btw no one plays the victim hood card harder than extreme (notice I didn’t say all) Christians in this country who think Muslims are taking over/Christmas is being stolen/whatever else FOX/OAN tells them. [/quote] I see your point, but wish you would occasionally experiment with using the term atheist to describe yourself. Maybe you could think of a stock reply to any question. And no one ever has to debate others about their atheism. You could just say you don't want to discuss it further, and change the subject. [i]Also, could be that some people who want to talk, are on the road to non-belief themselves[/i] and are fascinated to meet someone who has already completed the journey.[/quote] The wishful thinking among you atheists constantly astonishes me.[/quote] I wish religious people would keep their religion out of my government, out of my life, and out of my body. How’s that for wishful thinking? [/quote] people elected to public office are allowed to be religious. In fact- the vast majority of elected officials claim to be Christian and speak about their faith. How is your life affected by religion?[/quote] It goes way beyond politicians practicing their own religion. Politicians (and SCOTUS justices) are FORCING their religious beliefs on others. [/quote] How? You keep saying they are forcing religion on people but have zero examples.[/quote] You don't read the news? abortion anti-LGBTQ book banning etc [/quote] book banning? You can buy any book you want on amazon.com. Tell me the title of what books the “religious” government has banned and you are unable to purchase and read. anti-lgbtq? What has the “religious” government done to be considered anti-lgbtqa? Examples? So because the SCOTUS allowed states to make their own decisions about abortion laws- your right to what has been taken away? What has the “religious” government done besides allowed each state to decide their own laws? Examples? [/quote] Just taking the abortion ruling of the Court. The majority of Americans believe abortion should be available for all women. That was the established practice in the United States. The Justices even said in confirmation hearings they believed that should continue to be the law of the land. When a case came to them on the court, they reversed precedent of the Court (against the wishes of the American public). The conservatives on the Court have been clear about their own beliefs on abortion and how they have been informed by their catholic faith. If you don’t see that as an example of imposing religious views on an unwilling majority, I don’t know what to tell you. [/quote] Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, No. 19-1392, 597 U.S. ___ (2022), is a decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the court held that the Constitution of the United States does not confer a right to abortion. The court's decision overruled both Roe v. Wade (1973) and Planned Parenthood v. Casey (1992), returning to individual states the power to regulate any aspect of abortion not protected by federal law. The majority held that abortion is not a constitutional right as the Constitution does not mention it and its substantive right was not "deeply rooted" in the country's history. Abortion is not listed in the Constitution as a protected right. In the introductory statement, Alito, writing for the majority, summarized a constitutional historical view of abortion rights, saying, "The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision." Alito based his argument on the criterion from Washington v. Glucksberg (1997) that a right must be "deeply rooted" in the nation's history. That provision [the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment] has been held to guarantee some rights that are not mentioned in the Constitution, but any such right must be "deeply rooted in this Nation's history and tradition" and "implicit in the concept of ordered liberty." — Dobbs, slip opinion p. 5 (Opinion of the Court)[146] Alito wrote, "abortion couldn't be constitutionally protected. Until the latter part of the 20th century, such a right was entirely unknown in American law. Indeed, when the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted, three quarters of the States made abortion a crime at all stages of pregnancy." He wrote, "Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobbs_v._Jackson_Women%27s_Health_Organization The overturning of Roe did not make abortion illegal nationwide. Abortion remains legal in most states. In response to Dobbs, several states allowing abortion considered or adopted legislation expanding abortion access. [/quote]
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