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There should be a scientific study to determine when life begins, you can try fetal reaction and do things like train in the womb. That would settle it when it's woman body vs baby's body.[/quote]
Scientist here...and these arguments are asinine. Unless you are proposing that at that moment when you think "science" can tell you that life begins, you are also prepared to incubate the fetus outside of a woman's body. And of course you're not, because you know that the fetus would still need the mother's body to fully gestate. Here's info from Australia: https://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/d1024b0042ac3768a346b7ad100c470d/Too+small+too+soon+-+babies+born+23%E2%80%9324+weeks.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&amp;CACHEID=ROOTWORKSPACE-d1024b0042ac3768a346b7ad100c470d-nwK1psv

Have you spent time in a NICU? Do you know what the prognosis of a baby born at 24 weeks is? It's not good, and it costs millions of dollars to keep that baby alive...usually with a lifetime of health consequences. This whole viability argument is, IMHO, a red herring. It's what we have, but I think it disrespects the doctors and scientists who work miracles to improve health outcomes for premature infants to make it the control point for women's bodily autonomy.[/quote]
Pearls before swine, Scientist. All they know is what they see on Facebook, little “miracle” stories, no talk of the cost (and who will pay those for a child born to a woman who was denied an abortion?), no talk of the likelihood of disabilities (some quite grave). The whole discussion as framed by the forced birthers is the most anti-scientific, anti-woman and childish discussion ever.[/quote]
I know...and I need to calm down. But it makes me so angry. My mom is a neonatologist. I grew up around NICUs. I volunteered in one in college and grad school. I've sat in a room helpless, with an infant born with grave defects, who was no longer being treated. The parents needed a break, but no one wanted to leave the baby alone. In high school, I shadowed a genetic counselor...and I ended up in a room where the parents and counselor found out in real time the fetus was anencephalic. Their first baby. Imagine having to deal with that knowledge and also risk your fertility against your will by being forced to carry the pregnancy to term.

It's so offensive to me that people use what happens in these hospitals as an excuse to deny the cruelty of denying standard medical care.[/quote]

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