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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]“The real problem is that you think the real problem is whatever you think the real problem is”

You guys are insufferable.

There’s no problem with a publisher deciding it doesn’t want to sell a certain book anymore.  Literally happens every day. If you’re concerned that our culture doesn’t value racist stereotypes anymore, then I can’t help you. The world has changed. Consumers don’t want to buy certain things anymore, publishers don’t publish it. That’s how free markets and free speech work. [/quote]
The apparently want to buy these books, so consumer tastes haven't really changed, the publisher decided to change it for them.  Why do you even care that people are talking about these books?  Were you alive for New Coke?  When Coca Cola told people their tastes had changed and people said, "Hell no it didn't!" It was national news for months until it changed back.

And this too is how free speech works.  Pretty damn disingenuous to see it's free speech to withdraw a book but not free speech to complain about it.[/quote]

I don’t think there’s a critical market segment that will change the publisher’s mind on this, but if there is, that’s fine. Publishers exercise this kind of discretion every single day.  Only certain kinds of people seem to get upset about decisions based on the desire not to propagate racist stereotypes—racists. You might be one.[/quote]
The only people who think this way are racist totalitarians.  There appears to be a critical need for appeasement of the racist totalitarian demographic. [/quote]

You are right. Because the “solution” is to mandate publishers publish everything anyone wants. That’s not freedom.[/quote]
Your argument is a disingenuous attempt to deny your complicity in supporting publishing elites denying our rights to read books.  And you know it.[/quote]

Uh no, I’m not the one being disingenuous.  Choosing not to publish material you find harmful or distasteful is a freedom that I care very deeply about. [/quote]
What you really want is people not to see what YOU don't want them to see.  You are not defending publisher's rights.  Why would you even care about this stupid children's book or this two bit publisher?  [/quote]

I want all publishers to be free from any government interference. Let markets decide. And I care because it’s of professional and academic interest to me. Why do you care that a publisher is deciding to pull offensive material? Do you think you’re losing something of value?[/quote]
Sorry no.  You can't win this argument.  Frustrating right?  You are using a subjective standard and so am I.  Because everyone thinks I don't know how publishing works, including, apparently you.  Or thinks I am right winger.  Or has some other motive.  They believe everything except my actual motives even when I tell them.

If you that bit frustrating, consider how other people feel when you use bad faith arguments assuming things like I want to force publishers to publish.  Nobody anywhere said that.  I sure didn't.[/quote]

What do you want then? Because it’s not clear. You are mad that the publisher is doing this because why? And what is the alternative?[/quote]

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