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But these we just innocent bAbiEs!!!

Another impact these bans have: economic hardship. Women forced to carry a non viable fetus is more likely to be put on bedrest, or reduced working. Then the birth costs $$$. Even the best insurance has a deductible. Then funeral arrangements $$$. We’re talking an easy 10k unnecessarily spent.

I won’t talk about the emotional costs because we know MAGA could give a 💩 about that.[/quote]
Oh! Add more costs! At least some of them would have ended up living for a brief period, and depending on the hospital’s policy they might have thrown the kitchen sink, treatment wise, at the newborn, costing thousands in NICU bills.

This has probably bankrupted a few families already.[/quote]

Just to give people an idea.  I had twins that were born 6 weeks premature (34 weeks gestation).  One had underdeveloped lungs and developed Respiratory Distress Syndrome (RDS).  Basically his lungs could not extract enough oxygen from the air he was breathing.  Within 12 hours, he was on a ventillator with almost pure oxygen and when that was insufficient, he underwent a surgical procedure where a surfactent was applied to his lungs which allowed his alveoli to process oxygen better.  Within 2 hours of the procedure, he was breathing much more normally.  By 12 hours post-surgery he was off of the ventillator.  It was miraculous.  The twins spent a total of 16 days in the NICU between this procedure and getting them to eat normally, gain weight and develop enough to maintain their body temperature outside of an incubator.  All pretty normal stuff for premies.  The NICU totals for my children were approximiately $170K per.  And our insurance only wanted to cover about $100K of the costs per child trying to claim various issues.  I spent a year fighting with them.  A year, to the day that the twins came home from the hospital, I finally sent the last form to the insurance and got a revised claim from them.  All told, I ended up paying about $13K out of pocket for both.

And this is for normal premie treatment and one extraordinary treatment.  And my children were otherwise healthy babies (and are about to turn 13 this summer).

Now, imagine for a child with a congenital syndrome that requires massive amounts of medical attention, treatment, and remediation just to survive a week or two in the NICU and die.  These laws are requiring pregnant women, who know that their child will not survive more than a few weeks, to carry the child, to undergo obstetric treatment for the remaining 20 weeks of pregnancy, to risk their own health and fertility, to pay for that medical care in pregnancy, then to give birth to a child suffering pain from the congenital disorder, and then to have NICU space, time, equipment, staff, attend to this child who were terminal before birth, taking away needed NICU space from babies with conditions that they can survive.  Who is paying for all this medical treatment, medications, equipment, remediation for these infants?

I was able to handle $13K out of $340K worth or medical care and after a year of fighting was able to get the insurance company to handle the rest.  But there are many, many families out there that cannot handle even $13K worth of medical expenses and may have weaker insurance coverage than I had.  What if the insurance carrier will not handle the additional costs?  What if they can't get the insurance company to bear the NICU costs?  Are you going to make parents of much wanted, but terminally ill babies, go bankrupt or have to sell their home just to handle the medical expenses for a pregnancy that they were forced to carry to term just because you didn't want to allow them to abort a terminal infant with a congenital disorder that was incompatible with life?

These politicians are playing God, but they are destroying many lives over their politics.  [/quote]
Cue MAGA - [i]if you can't afforD Kids then Keep your leGs cloSed.[/i][/quote]

I mean are they wrong though?[/quote]
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Forced birthers like to pretend that they care about life, but scratch that pond scum and you can see the PP for the monster that he is. It’s about controlling and punishing women and incels like this PP are mad as hops that their personalities have driven women far away from them. Killing women, breaking their hearts, destroying their families, robbing them of their future fertility - it’s all good because it punishes those nasty women for not jumping in the sack with them. Of course if they ever had jumped in the sack with that man, we know the names they’d call the women who had sex with them.

So vote carefully in November. It’s a straight Democratic ticket. The GOP and its misogyny must actually start getting crushed. [/quote]

Millions of “forced birthers” are women who have been pregnant, given birth, and suffered miscarriages.

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And had abortions, but their abortions are always moral abortions. [/quote]

Now you are just projecting.[/quote]

Anyone who works at a clinic can tell you stories of anti-abortion protesters who have come in for their own abortion. [b]Republican women get abortions at the same rate as Democratic women.[/b] [/quote]

Pro-abortion advocates had five decades to pass a reasonable federal law, same as what every single European country did.

Partisan politics and elections have consequences.[/quote]
We had it. It was established law for fifty years. The far right wing extremists who lied their way onto the court are anti-American anarchists. [/quote]

You're crazy. There was no federal law, that was the whole problem. Drop the conspiracy theories and learn how every single Western democracy has come to regulate such a complex topic. [/quote]

They have zero understanding. Do you think that the leftists posting have any idea that their beloved progressive Nordic welfare states ban abortion as early as 9 weeks? Of course not.

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Claims pro choice people have “zero understanding,” proceeds to show she has never actually looked up abortion laws in “Nordic” countries. :D[/quote]

Yes PP is lying. Abortion is widely available throughout all of Europe.

Read it and weep, PP.
from https://reproductiverights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/European-abortion-law-a-comparative-review.pdf

Highly restrictive
abortion laws in Europe
[b]Only six European countries
retain highly restrictive
abortion laws and do not
permit abortion on request or
on broad social grounds.[/b]
These are: Andorra, Liechtenstein,
Malta, Monaco, Poland and
San Marino.
• Andorra, Malta and San Marino
do not allow abortion at all.
• Liechtenstein allows abortion
only when a woman’s life or
health is at risk or the pregnancy
is the result of sexual assault.
• Monaco and Poland allow it
only when a woman’s life or
health is at risk, the pregnancy
is the result of sexual assault or
involves a severe fetal anomaly.
• The Danish jurisdiction of the
Faroe Islands also retains a highly
restrictive law.[/quote]

False

Abortion on demand is only permitted up to 12 weeks in most of Europe. [/quote]

There is still more flexibility in Europe as those tend to be limits, not flat out bans. Also, in many European countries, they do have other exceptions where abortions are permitted beyond the a 12 or 14 limit especially for mental health or financial reasons.

Moreover, women have much more access to abortions in Europe, along with government healthcare. Which means that women have access to healthcare and can make reproductive decisions earlier.

[b]A 12 week ban in the US is not at all comparable to those in Europe because women in the US dont have the same access to healthcare that European women do. [/b][/quote]

Then fix that healthcare problem, instead of promoting the fallacy that European countries allow for free abortion on demand during the whole 9 months. They don't, because after 14 weeks or so they also respect the life of the unborn baby on his/ her own right, together with the mom's -- a much more enlightened and scientific position than the one promoted by US pro-abortion fundamentalists.[/quote]

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