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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Equal opportunity does not lead to equal outcomes. There is no vast amount of untapped talent. Throwing resources at low performers won't significantly lift them. If equity is the goal, the only way to get there is to handicap the very top performers. This is exactly what MCPS is doing. [/quote]

Who pissed in your cornflakes?[/quote]

MCPS when it decided to destroy its gifted offerings. [/quote]

Such rhetoric hurts your credibility. It suggests you don't have well-justified complaints when you refuse to state them.[/quote]

Gifted kids thrive when they are able to be academically challenged in a cohort of their peers. MCPS in implementing things like “honors for all” or getting rid of ELC is making it so gifted students no longer have that opportunity. Period, end stop. [/quote]

Exactly, so we need to create more opportunities for the gifted kids like mine who get no support and schools don't have enough AP and other classes for them to thrive in.  So, does it make sense to spend that kind of money for a few hundred kids, when many other kids have zero opportunities, not even a stem club at their school?[/quote]

DP. Whatever you think of the proposed changes, I think this is an accurate description of the stakes. Do you serve the very top performers very well or do you serve a broader group but with less acceleration. There's arguments both ways, but destroying education for gifted students isn't one of the possibilities.[/quote]

Tell that to all of the 4th grade students who scored a 99th percentile on their MAP but didn’t make the lottery into the CES and their schools have chosen to do model 1 of the “new” ELA program (they may get enrichment, they may not).  [/quote]

That sounds like an argument against the CES model. Maybe that was intended.[/quote]

As it stands now the CES model, based in a lottery based on MAP and not a true cognitive assessment is not serving the needs of the students who could most benefit — back pre-Covid when it was truly focused on gifted it was better equipped to serve those needs. ELC was established to make up for not enough seats at the CES… and now that’s gone. [/quote]

So what do you want to see now? Create reading groups across the classes in a grade at all elementary schools?[/quote]

Yes. That would be a huge start. 
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I'm good with reading groups. I wouldn't want to see entire classes grouped that way, but you can create reading groups in a way that allows mobility between groups during the year.[/quote]

Problem is with how CKLA works, there are no books. And when a teacher is dealing with 15 students who cannot read, 10 who can but are still struggling, they’re not going to have time to meet with the 5 advanced readers. Ask me how I know.

Having ELC be its own, contained class meant they were a priority and could really focus on advanced learning. The cohort is so, so important. [/quote]

As long as you're in the "right" one at the beginning of the year.

[b]4th grade is too early to start segregating kids. The harms outweigh the benefits.[/b][/quote]

+10000

Why aren't more people talking about this?[/quote]

Because, for some, segregation is the goal. And everyone likes to think their kid will be one of the chosen ones.[/quote]

Some of us know that our kids wouldn’t be chosen if DCUM was the one admitting. They’d exclude the Black and Brown kids on general principle as well as any child with a disability.

Even a colleague at my school was incensed that my child made the cut and his son did not despite knowing that my kid had done engineering from 3rd grade onward and won an award for coding an app. He felt certain that my kid took his kid’s spot because he couldn’t conceive that a child of color could be gifted. [/quote]

Must have been DEI[/quote]

Test scores provide a reliable baseline for standards of achievement. [/quote]

Unless you're a minority.[/quote]

Minorities are unable to take standardized tests? [/quote]

Are you saying you're ignorant of the research on this topic?[/quote]

IQ tests have been so re-worked that any question with differential scores among races are removed.  This isn't 1961.[/quote]

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