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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Sorry, but the actions of people who are not taking precautions and infecting others with covid are simply not the fault of people who are taking precautions or warning about the potential long term health risks of covid.

It's been everyone for themselves for a while now.  Someone else's bad behavior is their own fault, and not the fault of people who are warning others to be more careful.  That's a neat trick!  But since you don't want mask mandates and want people to be responsible for their own behavior, you also have to accept that people actually are responsible for their behavior.  So strange for you to blame the careful people for the mass infection of others sheesh.  [/quote]

Don't be ridiculous. First of all, I have no problem with people who take precautions, and have never said that, and suggesting that I did is incredibly dishonest.

Second of all, spreading misinformation absolutely impacts people's behavior. When you flood Twitter and DCUM with posts about how COVID is ruining everyone's immune systems, when so many of us have had COVID and have:

A. fought off subsequent infections just fine
B. had our annual blood work several months after infection and everything looks fine
C. looked at the studies you cite and it turns out they apply to very specific populations

...we not only don't listen to you, but it creates fodder for right-wingers to make fun of you and make it easier for them to convince people that COVID is a government conspiracy or whatever.
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Most people are not on either DCUM or Twitter, and if you claim not to listen to such posters, why engage so much?  If you believe it's misinformation, do what the rest of us do and report it.  You sound overly defensive about your own health.  If you think it's all bs, why get into it so much?

As for the immune system, it's not a far fetched concern or a new spin on how to make people scared.  Most people on here are couching the topic as plausible. not definitive. It's not misinformation to discuss it.

This is from August 2020 from the British Society for Immunology, and we now have a lot more data and better understanding of what might be happening:

Can COVID have long term effects on immune system?

It appears that SARS-CoV-2 can likely do long-term damage in different parts of the body, through direct effects of viral infection and tissue damage (fibrosis*), through collateral damage from excessive inflammation, through post-viral autoimmunity, and through the consequences of thrombotic complications.

This briefing note aims to summarise what we do and don’t currently know about the long-term immunological health
consequences of COVID-19 and sets out the key recommendations for future research. An asterisk (*) denotes words that
appear in the glossary (annex 2).
Exposure to the disease, COVID-19, causes symptoms in multiple organ systems across the body, and is not limited to
only the lungs and respiratory system as was originally thought. In addition, patients are reporting chronic symptoms,
such as fatigue and shortness of breath, that last for months after their original infection.
The immune system’s response to the SARS-CoV-2 virus is thought to play a part in the appearance of these symptoms,
rather than the virus itself, often through facilitating inflammation. This has the ability not only to exacerbate any
secondary conditions the patient already has, but also to cause them, as is the case with other viruses, and these may
persist for years.
The full extent of the prevalence of COVID-19 patients who go on to experience longer-term immunological health
consequences is not yet fully understood. However, the emerging need for COVID-19 follow-up clinics to treat these
chronic symptoms may place an additional burden on the health service.

https://www.immunology.org/sites/default/files/2022-09/BSI_Long_Term_Immunology_Health_Consequences_Covid-19.pdf[/quote]

I know, I know, since you can't actually refute the specific points I made your only option is to call me "defensive". Btw if you talk to any reputable immunologist they will be very clear that just because some people's immune systems react in weird and scary ways to COVID, does NOT mean everyone's immune system is reacting this way. You can post all the studies (which you clearly don't understand) you want and say you're just "discussing" the possibility. I imagine you would not go online and post about how you as a non-engineer think bridges should be built and then demand public officials build bridges in that way because you have decided it is safer. Recognize your own ignorance, please. And yes there is a LOT of scaremongering and I don't think it's helpful to anyone except right-wing trolls.[/quote]

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