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[quote]In what other context is someone’s body, health and daily life commandeered to save another? No one would countenance a law that said a person who is a bone marrow or organ match is legally obligated to donate to another. There may be a moral imperative (if the person’s life and health would not be impacted), but we do not override an individual’s bodily integrity against his or her will even for noble purposes. We generally do not punish bystanders who refuse to come to the rescue of others in distress, especially when there is any risk to themselves.

Sotomayor asks how anti-abortion argument is ‘anything but a religious view’
Justice Sonia Sotomayor questioned the Mississippi solicitor general during oral arguments in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization on Dec. 1. (The Washington Post)
The motives behind the antiabortion movement become clear when one recognizes that even though abortion is legal, the incidence of abortion has dropped dramatically. Hence, permissive laws do not mean the procedure happens more often. If we want to reduce abortions, we arguably should be doing precisely what we have been doing over the past few decades.[/quote]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/12/01/fundamental-deception-behind-pro-life-movement/[/quote]

"In what other context is someone’s body, health and daily life commandeered to save another?"

VACCINE MANDATES[/quote]

I mean that's just ridiculous.

A. You don't get arrested if you don't take the vaccine, you just have to find another job
B. A vaccine is not an entity that uses you to sustain itself, it's the instructions to help your body fight off a disease
C. Are you seriously equating getting a couple of shots to pregnancy and childbirth? That is hilarious. Thanks for a great start to my weekend![/quote]

Control over my body is control over my body. Doesn't matter if we are talking about vaccines, pregnancy, or any other medical procedure. [/quote]

I agree that we should have a choice. A choice to remain pregnant or not and a choice to be vaccinated. Both choices currently exist, only the right to choose abortion is at risk. [/quote]

Im pro choice but let’s stick to the facts and avoid hyperbole.  Choice to get an abortion isn’t at risk. If the Roe is struck down then the right to an abortion would be decided at the state level and the majority of states would continue to support pro choice.[/quote]

You are so naive.

Just ask the woman in Ireland who died a slow death by sepsis because she couldn't get an abortion.
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I said it over in Website Feedback and I’ll say it here, too: it’s time for some of you to snap out of your stupor. You assumed that the GOP were good people who just had other beliefs; that’s false. They’re bad people with toxic misogyny at the core of their belief system.

You assumed that everyone now agreed that women were people of the same inherent worth that men have. That’s false too. These fundie duckers don’t think you’re worth jack. They think your career, your beliefs, your feelings - it’s all less important than men. (As to the fact that it’s a literal People of Praise cult member handmaiden delivering the death blow? These POSs always have a Trojan horse. Phyllis Schlafly, for one, Amy Bullcrap for another).

Multiple states have trigger laws with varying forced birth laws waiting, Sword of Damocles, to be put into law the minute the cheating GOP got Roe removed. What do you think is going to happen in those states? You think every thing is just going to be balmy winds and smooth sailing? You want to find out which unfortunate pregnant woman loses her life because of some pregnancy emergency she’s facing and the doctors don’t feel they can act on without facing a lawsuit and losing their licenses? Not every pregnant woman is going to get magically lifted over state lines to state where women are considered people. Some of you are going to die. Your ability to get an abortion because you don’t want to be pregnant is very much going to be in danger. Hope it felt good to feel smug while you pretended we spoke with hyperbole. [/quote]

Actually, it is posts like these that make me less inclined to support the left.

I am, like most Americans, somewhere in the middle on abortion.  I want abortion legal, but I also find the people claiming that it is the woman's choice up to the point of delivery nuts.

The simple fact is that the left hasn't been able to win the abortion debate in the public sphere and has for decades relied entirely on the Supreme Court.  As long as the court rules their way it is "legitimate," but if it ever changes then suddenly it is evil incarnate, etc, etc.

There are so many other issues in the political sphere, many of them more important than abortion to me.

Perhaps if the SC does overturn Roe v Wade the proper legislative process can address the issue, that is what it is designed to do afterall. 
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+100
Thank you - finally, a voice of reason.[/quote]

I might agree with this, except the legislative process as currently corrupted by the GOP is not able to address this issue. They have locked down minority rule since 2010 and look poised to lock it down for another 10 years. Without the court as a check, they will do whatever the hell they want because they are assured there will be no consequences.

Let’s frame things differently, would you be Ok with the state legislature of say, New York or California deciding what’s an appropriate exercise of your religious freedoms or gun rights? The Constitution doesn’t say anything about homeschooling. And like it or not, it does talk about gun ownership in the same breath as the “well regulated militia”. The Court definitely overstepped when it invented rights that didn’t exist at the Founding in these areas. Maybe we should just leave those determinations to the state legislatures too. [/quote]

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