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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I have a purebred dog who was, in fact, a shelter dog. I don't announce she's a rescue but I don't believe in breeding to increase the dog population when so many animals are homeless. Sorry.[/quote]

For every dog purchased from a breeder, a rescue dog who needs a home dies.

It is unethical to purchase dogs from breeders.  IMO.  I think less of people who do it.[/quote]

Not really. I myself volunteer at shelters but got my own dog from a breeder. The fact that a person previously failed the rescue
Dog somehow does not lie on my shoulders.[/quote]

It lies on all our shoulders. The way we treat animals says a lot about us as human beings. Buying dogs from a breeder while another dog dies in a shelter is just wrong. Ignorance is not an excuse.[/quote]

People like you make me want to go buy my next dog from a responsible breeder. I have a rescue dog, and I am sure I will continue to have rescue dogs in my life, but this attitude is ridiculous. One of the reasons I don't like calling my dog a rescue dog is because I don't want to get grouped with the blindly smug rescue people.

Out of curiosity, what kind of breeders do you think [i]you're[/i] supporting and encouraging with your actions? Do you ever take a minute to wonder exactly why there are, for instance, puppies available via rescues? You think maybe they are born magically? Why do you think, exactly, that you're acting in an ethical manner? I don't kid myself about where my rescue dog came from. I have given a home, via an intermediary, to the result of crappy breeding, in effect rewarding a bad breeder by taking unwanted puppies. My dog is wonderful, but when I think about what was the most ethical thing to do, I don't think that I acted more ethically than somebody who took the time to find a responsible breeder, and maybe I even acted less ethically. It's not nearly as black and white as you make it out to be, and you are putting your own desire to feel like a good person ahead of the health of animals when you act like it is a black and white issue.

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New poster:  I'm lost.  By adopting a dog from a shelter, I'm supporting  breeders...how?  Because puppies are available from rescue organizations??  Because you took in an unwanted breeder puppy you supported anti-breeder efforts??? How is that?[/quote]

Reputable breeders only place their dogs in carefully vetted homes and have a lifelong takeback clause. If all breeders were reputable and ethical, there would be little need for the extensive number of rescue organizations and shelters that there are, because breeders would always take their dogs back if they needed a new home, and wouldn't breed more puppies than they could find good homes for in the first place.

But obviously, that's not the case. There are a lot of very bad breeders, who in effect get insulated from the consequences of their bad breeding practices by the existence of rescue organizations and shelters. Bad breeders know that unwanted puppies can get dropped off at the shelters, and they don't worry about taking back older dogs. It's somebody else's problem and they're insulated from it.

The dog I have now is a mutt who ended up in rescue because of the actions of a bad breeder. I provided a home to a dog who needed a home, and therefore for my individual dog, it's a good thing I went through rescue rather than a breeder because she's in a much better place than she'd be otherwise (and she's alive rather than euthanized). But in doing so, I also protected a bad breeder from having to take responsibility for his or her actions. I'm not convinced that my choice was any more ethical than the choice of a person who researches and pays for a good breeder. Maybe it would have been better to support the efforts of an ethical breeder because that could have broader impact than adopting one dog who needed a home. I'm not sure where that line falls, but I do know that it's not nearly as black and white as the original PP here.

I think there are some rescue people who don't really want to go to a world where people responsibly spay and neuter, and where all breeders are responsible, because they care more about feeling that they are rescuing animals than they do about the actual welfare of the animals. [/quote]

Even if all breeders were responsible and ethical, there would still be animals that need homes.  I think you are fooling yourself.  I also think that the idea that we can "take on" the bad breeders is pretty mythical.[/quote]

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