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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]"Young, Gifted, and Not Getting Into Harvard" means one thing for sure...

The kid is Asian or White.[/quote]

That is just complete bullshit. I think people who make statements like this must have a very shaky grasp of basic math. There are THOUSANDS of gifted students nationwide. Harvard only accepts about 1900 of them each year.[/quote]

yes, but who are they accepting -- and what edge do THEY have. My guess is race/ethnicity is definitely a factor.[/quote]If race is the predominant factor, can anyone tell me why minorities are not the majority in HYP and others and representation is usually in the low percentage?

Even if you were to fill every seat with white and Asian students with perfect gpa and test scores  (disregarding other holistic factors), there would still be arguments over qualifications.  The best university in Shanghai has to turn away thousands of students from the SAME ethnic group.  So what would the rational argument be?  I would think so many qualified students and just not enough seats.

I am a proponent of holistic admissions but I also realize that no premier college is going to admit someone who can't do the work.  HYP (not the only game in town) is not going to risk their reputation of being academic powerhouses by admitting subpar students who can't handle the work.

There just aren't enough seats for everyone wanting HYP et al but with over 3000 colleges, there ARE seats available.
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Because there aren't that many black students that are even remotely qualified to be at Ivy League schools.  They give URMs big boosts, but even with that there just aren't that many who are close to Ivy League caliber.

This isn't for the Ivy League, but it's relevant WRT affirmative action:  https://www.nas.org/images/documents/report_affirmative_action_at_three_universities.pdf

From the report: "The odds ratio for blacks compared to whites at NCS is 13 to 1, but at UVA it is 106 to 1 and at William &Mary 267 to 1. In other words, at UVA the odds of a black student being admitted is more than 100 times the odds of admission of a white student with the same qualifications. The odds of admitting a black applicant at William & Mary is more than 250 times the odds of admitting an equally-qualified white applicant."

It's interesting that as the university gets more selective, the odds ratio increases.  I'd be very interested to see what it was at Harvard.[/quote]You do know that the number of white kids that are not even remotely qualified for HYP is greater than the number of African-American kids.  Simple math.[/quote]

Not sure why you are arguing. It is well documented, and easily verifiable, that top schools admit African-American students with substantially lower test scores and grades than other races. Yes, there are some African American students who would qualify anyway, but not enough for schools to be able to demonstrate "diversity." Because of this, they accept many who would not qualify if they were another race.

Yes, some less qualified whites get in due to legacy status. But this privilege is only available to a tiny minority of affluent whites. The majority of less-affluent, lower-middle class whites, as well as most other races, do not benefit from this, and are in fact hurt by BOTH legacies and affirmative action. Privileged whites and less qualified African Americans are the primary beneficiaries of this system. Middle/working class whites are constantly lumped in with affluent whites when it comes time to mete out government entitlements, to their disadvantage. [/quote]

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