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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP here.  I mean I believe in God, intuitively, and I feel drawn to a Christian church.  But being a Christian requires believing written stories about someone from 2000 years ago.  How to get there, is my question.[/quote]

Read Isaiah. Add Daniel if you can. You will see how it all was foretold exactly as it happened. Where he would be from, etc. [/quote]

Isaiah and Daniel are stories, not factual accounts.  And it's pretty easy to write a sequel when the back story is already written.[/quote]

Absolutely not true. If you knew anything at all about history and/or archeology, you'd know that [b]Isaiah and Daniel were written long before the New Testament time period[/b].[/quote]

Yes, that is accurate history and archeology --  that's why it was so easy for people to write the Jesus stories later.  They already knew just what "signs" to refer to, that would show that things were happening according to what had been prophesied.  [/quote]
That kooky Jesus. He must have read Isaiah and Daniel and, well, the whole Old Testament that is filled with prophecies of a coming Messiah -- so much so that Jews knew exactly when and where to look for him (see Matthew 2) -- really closely so that he could perform miracles such as creating food out of nothing, healing paralytics and blind people and raising people from the dead so that he could go and get himself crucified and die a horrific death and create some cult following that He never intended or made efforts to profit from. He sure put one over on us.

Oh wait. All that stuff about Jesus being real and being crucified never happened, right? Those kooky apostles. They make up a guy and a whole story about him because they know the Jews are looking for him, then go live selfless lives loving their neighbors without any thought for monetary gain or fame, just so they could get persecuted, beaten, chased all over the Middle East and in some cases horrifically martyred, all to propagate a story that they knew to be false. They sure put one over on us. [/quote]

There could have been real apostles and a real Jesus an still a bunch of made up stories about miracles that would really impress people and help to start a new religion.[/quote]
But why would they lie about his death and resurrection? They sought neither fame, nor power, nor wealth, and they were severely persecuted to the point of death? Why be martyred for something you know you made up? Who does that?[/quote]

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