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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]1.  Democrats had a once-in-fifty years filibuster-proof control of the legislature and the White House. Congrats could have easily passed single payer but--in hopes of retaining political power--Obama and the Democrats blinked. Yet posters in this thread are mostly blaming republicans.

2.  The government doesn't do anything efficiently. The idea that Healthcare will get better in terms of service and/or cost under government control is borderline looney.

3.  It isn't fair that a poor person could be stuck wolithout healthcare due to means. Likewise, it isn't fair that healthy people who take care of themselves would be forced to pay for the bad lifestyle choices of others.  I get the idea of universal care. any proposed solutions for making people lead healthier lifestyles if we're all going to be on the hook for the repercussions of bad lifestyle decisions?[/quote]

1. Agree. They could and should have passed both single payer and immigration reform. Instead we got some Frankenstein-like health insurance laws and a Deporter-in-Chief

2. Disagree. [b]Government can run things well WHEN led and managed by professionals, not by egomaniacs or amateurs.
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3. Agree. [/quote]

And when has that been the case? Can you give an example? [/quote]

Canada
Most European countries
Singapore
Japan
China[/quote]
? I don't think China's healthcare system is great.[/quote]

True, but compare where it is today and where it was 30 years ago. They have made significant progress while we are stagnant, at best.[/quote]

Those aren't examples of government efficiently administering anything. And I was much more interesting in our own country and an example there since it is OUR government that would be managing, not someone from Singapore.

As for Canada. I personally know some who moved to the U.S. after retirement and a prime reason was healthcare availability.[/quote]

Sure Europe's health care is efficient.  They live longer than we do, and they pay half as much.  Better outcome at less cost is the definition of efficiency.  [/quote]

Has anyone looked at the actual health of the citizens in all this

When 1/3 of the US is obses of course our healthcare costs are going to be higher than other places.  And using the 90/10 rule that 90% of costs are by 10% of the sickest/fattest/dumbest it makes even more sense why US healthcare costs are so high[/quote]

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