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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Somehow Republicans only care about someone's civil liberties when there are guns involved.

So we can start spying on Muslims simply because of their religion but we can't deny guns to people suspected of terrorism?   :shock: [/quote]

And somehow Democrats don't care about civil liberties when it comes to conservative Christians or gun owners....
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I'm confused. . are you saying Conservative Christians are gun owners. . Omar Mateen was not a Conservative Christian. Or are you saying Dems don't care about the civil liberties of Con. Christians? if the latter, how?? How have Christians been blocked from privately practicing their faith? On government property yes they are but the President has a national Prayer breakfast for crying out loud, religious Christians are very much a part of the conversation.  And if you talking about the fact the conservatives want to obsess over sex and genitalia in front of children in public instead of keeping things private and using their own good judgement- thats on you. I'm very religious - think homosexuality is immoral as is sex outside of marriage and all sorts of things but I also think people shouldn't be talking about this stuff outloud in front of God and everybody. If you see someone who looks strange (I live in chinatown: men dressed in makeup and heels everywhere) I just look down and go on my way. Their behavior is not my business. 
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The key part of your qualification is the word "privately".  We may come to different conclusions, but there is a colorable argument to be made (iow, reasonable people can disagree) that the founders did not expect all religious civil liberties to be constrained to a private space.  On one end of the spectrum, left-leaning folk would clearly prefer to constrain the exercise of religion to private spaces as much as possible if not completely (e.g., most liberals probably wouldn't accept that church-affiliated schools, including universities, should have the same broad religious liberties as churches).  On the other end, right-leaning folk want to expand the space that religious civil liberties are permitted as far as possible (e.g., Bush's faith-based initiative program or school vouchers to parochial schools).

These are very complicated issues with no objective correct answer, but I only raise them to point out that there are intersections of government power and civil liberties where democrats clearly want to constrain civil liberties....[/quote]

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