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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]URM harping wrt Ivy admissions always fascinates me, because it is clear to me that most people don't fully understand or appreciate the pool of applicants. Just doing a little bit of math can actually illuminate things dramatically.

Harvard being Harvard has their pick of any and all applicants, black, white, latino or asian. Now the US Dept of Ed estimates that there are about 12 million college students in the US, of which about 15% are black. So there are roughly 1.8 million black college students. Of those, the College Board tells us that the 99% for college bound black SAT takers is a score of 2100. That means that there are 18,000 black college students in the country with a score at least 2100, if not higher.

According to the Princeton Review, 2110 is the 25th percentile for admitted SAT scores, while Harvard self reported a mean SAT score for the class of 2017 of 2237.

So taken at face value, there are at least 18,000 black college students with SAT scores at Harvard's 25th percentile or higher. Which I would deem to be standard minimum qualifications.

However, Harvard has an undergraduate student enrollment of about 7200, of which 12% is black. Therefore, there are about 1080 black students at Harvard, which is 6% of the 18,000 black college students with minimum standard qualifications for enrollment. And it cannot be farfetched to assume that these are the absolute cream of the crop, with an expectation that their test scores would be significantly higher than the 99th percentile of SAT scores for black college students.

So stop it with this undeserving URM nonsense already.[/quote]

You are making shit up.  We do not have to guess,these things are broken down by race.  Every school district knows it hence the discussions about closing the gap.
The real problem is with the test. Unless you believe AA's are are actually inferior, and I don't, [b]then SAT is not a great metric. [/b] [/quote]

Indeed. And yet, that's what all these "meritocracy" agitators want colleges to use.[/quote]

The only reason the people believe the SAT isn't a great metric is because different groups score differently on it.  If this wasn't the case, nobody would have heartburn with it.  If you truly think the SAT isn't a good test, please find a test out there (all IQ tests, ACT, GRE, PARCC, ASVAB, etc, etc) that DOESN'T show this same gap.  I'll wait.[/quote]

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