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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The thing about the PUA bullshit is that it starts from a place where women are not considered to be individual human beings worth respect. They're not designed to build relationships with other people. They're designed to achieve sexual satisfaction or external validation.

Men who internalize these messages objectify women. They have a "manual" of techniques that will work on "women." It doesn't even matter who the target is, as long as she's an attractive female - and it's ALWAYS an attractive female. They're not interested in fat women or plain women, except insofar as those women may be more receptive even to disrespectful attention because they don't get a lot of attention.

Then when this strategy doesn't work, they talk about how bitchy attractive women are, how they just judge men by their looks and their bank accounts, how they're misunderstood and wronged.[/quote]

Yep.  And they say things like, "Women are too picky.  They go for only attractive guys when a nice guy is right there in front of them."

Meanwhile, they usually are pursuing the very traditionally attractive women, never even sparing a thought for women who are not conventionally attractive or overweight.  So it's the hypocritical mess.

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I think the PUA attitude is bullshit, and I think the whines of "nice guys" are mostly wrong. But, that said, I also think that the "nice guys only want hot girls" argument is bullshit. I've been out of the dating game a long time, so maybe times have changed, but when I was in school, the second tier girls weren't interested in the nice guys either. They were more prone to be attracted to mean, athletic guys.

Nice guys should just treat women like humans, but if the nice guys aren't attractive, there just aren't a lot of girls who are going to be interested in them in any case. At least not until they're beyond their early 20s when attractiveness and social status becomes less important, and qualities that contribute to long term stability becomes more important. [/quote]

The point is, physical attractiveness is important to both men and women.  Get over it. [/quote]

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