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To be sure, there is no salvation without forgiveness. Forgiveness and redemption is God's erasing and forgetting our sin. Salvation is God’s delivering us from the consequences of this sin, which without Him, is eternal damnation.

However, as we all know, we must also forgive our own sins and others must often forgive us for the pain that our sin causes them. [b]We all sin and come short of God's glory, even atheists who think they are exempt because they take personal responsibility for their actions.[/b][/quote]

What that reads like, to an Atheist, is like a bystander watching a game of Monopoly, hearing one of the players claim that all must pay rent on his hotels, even the game watchers. In any other context but religion, this type of behavior would have been ridiculed.  Stupid logic is stupid. [/quote]

The difference is, in the Game of Life, no one is a bystander, even if they want to be.[/quote]

Thanks for confirming that you are in fact sharing in the mindset of that delusional Monopoly player. You are in your own little game; Atheists are not in it.[/quote]

You know, I say this with all respect (and I truly mean that), but you sound just like my 7 year old.

"I'M NOT GOING WITH YOU TO THE STORE."

"Yes, sweetie, in fact you are."

"BUT I DON'T LIKE IT."

"I'm sorry you don't like it. But your liking it or not liking it has nothing to do with it."

"I'M GOING TO STAY HERE BY MYSELF."

"No, you're not."

And so forth....

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You and the PP are confused. I am describing how atheists view your attitude that your imaginary believes apply to non-believers. You and the PP then confirms this by continuing to assert that what you believe is objective reality, when in fact you have no factual basis for making this claim. You can't even understand and argue within the context that your religion is just a subset of the larger real world, instead asserting that your religion *IS* the real world. If I can further the analogy, you (christians) are playing a game of monopoly, some people over there (muslims) are playing a game of scrabble, and some more people (hindus) are playing chess; of course there are the non players like us (atheists) just standing and watching with some amusement that each of you claim that your game is the one true game and that your in-game rules apply to everyone else whether they like it or not. I am making this analogy for you to see just how ridiculous this situation is.

As for your stance of treating non-believers like children, I will just put this here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence
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NP. Speaking as a believer, even if we're debating who has the correct game board at least we're all participating in the tournament rather than sitting on the sidelines full of amusement, which really is your own brand of certainty and pomposity.[/quote]

There is nothing inherently wrong with certainty and pomposity. I am certain that if a car is driven into a concrete wall, one or both will be damaged. Any rational person standing next tome observing the same would agree with me in this certainty. However, if I am further certain that the car will further detonate in a nuclear explosion leading to WWIII, based purely on faith with no actual real evidence of it, then a bystander may think that I am delusional. If I further then go around chastising the bystanders by declaring "well at least I am engaged in thinking up a doomsday scenario, and your non-participation in this activity is just your own brand of certainty and pomposity", how do you think that appears to the bystanders?[/quote]

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