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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]Really, as the father to both children, you don't feel that your son has not only offended his sister, but also offended you, who also loves his daughter and has taught his son to respect others? You don't see an offense both against your sister as a person, and against your authority as his father? It's not secondhand, it's two offenses with one action. He knows he's not supposed to shove his sister, because it's hurtful to her and disrespectful to you.[/quote]

Not OP but no, I don't see this as an offense to me.  In this example once he's apologized to his sister he is done what I expect of him.  No need to apologize to me.  
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I am seeing something interesting here.  Atheists don't want a supernatural boss.  They may have a marginal respect for authority.  I think religious people WANT a boss.  They want AN authority. As an atheist myself I have to admit, I have never been a joiner.  I can't imagine wanting to spend time with a group of people who are trying to figure out how best to do what a supernatural third party wants them to do.  I can't imagine spending my precious time on this wonderful planet  reading over some old book of rules and stories to find meaning for my life.  In fact, I shouldn't be here now, counting how many fantasies can dance on the head of a pin.

Good luck to you!  i am going out to count some stars![/quote]

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