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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous]As this discussion indicates, there are many Islams, depending on how you interpret Quranic verses, whether you take the Quran literally, and which (if any) hadith you think are authentic. Muslima has her Islam. However, it's not so easy to say "Islam says X about blasphemy and violence and those other people doing Y are bad Muslims." Those other people may think they are good Muslims.[/quote]

I do not have my own Islam. I didn't create my version of islam. There are different interpretations of certain verses, agreements on authenticity of hadiths but it is wrong to say that there is no way to say x version of Islam or Muslims are wrong.  There are accepted rules,  that learned scholars have agreed on. The interpretation of Islam that I follow,  is that accepted by the majority of Muslims in the world.  It is not the only interpretation but that doesn't mean all interpretations are right.  We can prove theologically how something is wrong or unIslamic. I have always been amazed by critics of Islam who attempt to prove to us that our religion requires us to be blood-thirsty killers. Have they ever considered what would happen if we believed them?[/quote]

There is lots of disagreement on interpreta

tion. For example, you are a Sunni, but millions of Shiites disagree with you on key points. I don't believe you're Wahhabi, but are you saying they're "bad" Muslims where various articles of faith, like niqabs and sharia punishments, are concerned?

That's the thing about saying you need context to read the Quran-it's basically saying that my context is right and yours is wrong, ergo my interpretation is right and yours is wrong. The Shiites and Wahhabis have their own contexts. (As an aside, Islam is also supposed to be a religion where you [b]don't[/b] need a priest to interpret meaning or context for you.) Everybody thinks they're right, whether the disagreement is on veiling requirements or vanishing imams, and it's not for you to say they're necessarily straying from the "right" interpretation. That's also the thing about having no centralized authority: there are so many independent judges issuing conflicting interpretations on nearly every issue.

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I don't think we are talking about the same thing.  When I say context,  I'm talking about when and why the verse was revealed, there is no dispute on that as those are historical events,  so your context and my context cannot be different. Shias and wahabis have their own interpretations but they are a minority , so the majority of Muslims do not  practice Islam the way they do.  Does it mean they are wrong?  I don't agree with some of their interpretations but that is my opinion. However if someone tells me Islam says to kill unbelievers,  I can theologically prove them wrong, using facts and events that are recorded and preserved and using the message of the Quran. When it comes to veiling or not,  that comes under  interpretation,  that's a practice, so that has nothing to do with the Core of the message. There are 4 schools of thought in Sunni Islam which means, there are only 4 recognized interpretations of the major Islamic laws. Shias have their own school but they represent less than 10% of the Muslims. You don't need a priest to interpret something for you if you are learned,  and have knowledge.  If you've never studied the Qu'ran, how can you make up your interpretations? Muslims are supposed to learn their religion, ponder on it.  The quran itself says “A book We have sent down to you, blessed, that men possessed of mind may Ponder its signs end so remember”. (38:29)

"Do they not then earnestly seek to understand the Quran, or are their hearts locked up?"

If the Word of God was stated only in very simple language, its application in a wide variety of cultures, eras, and fields of study would be extremely limited, so again, God balanced His Book between simplicity and complexity to serve the needs of all humanity at the same time.
So, whenever you read the Quran, you should ponder upon its meaning, what is the meaning of this verse? What is the meaning of this word?
This does not mean that you invent (the meaning) from yourself , this is not permissible, rather you should refer to the authentic trustworthy books of Tafseer .

And if after that,  you still don't know.  The Quran tells you to ask. You have to ask the people of knowledge, Allah says, "So ask of those who know the Scripture, if you know not." [(16): 43] and the Messenger (saw) said,

"…Shouldn't they have asked if they didn't know?! Verily the cure of all ignorance is to ask!" [Abu Dawood]

So when we say, we don't need priests , what is meant is we don't need an intermediary, we pray directly to God, but we definitely need scholars to understand Islam. The companions had the Prophet (saw) who explained to them the meaning of the verses, you cant learn Islam or read the Quran in a vacuum, you will just not get the message that way.
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Note the ever-so-subtle demonisation of Muslims who aren't like you. [/quote]

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