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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Thank you for sharing 11:08! As another poster mentioned, nderf.org is full of similar accounts (going back home, "how could I have forgotten?" Etc) and has changed my view on religio/faith (it's stronger now) and ideas on an afterlife.

The naysayers will find out eventually but for now they're clearly intent on sounding salty and soulless.[/quote]

Maybe that's the brain's way of shutting down - feeling at one with the universe - not struggling, feeling loved.  A pretty nice final memory.[/quote]

I thought about that.  But there would have to be a biological reason for that, wouldn't there?  If there is nothing after death, then why would it matter what your final memory is?  Everything our body does, it does for a reason.  What would be the reason for a peaceful death, biologically speaking?[/quote]

The biological process and how we interpret it aren't necessarily the same thing. People who experience the biological process of the brain shutting down may interpret that as feeling peaceful and loved, but that doesn't mean that there was some kind of evolutionary benefit to the process of shutting down producing that effect. It may just be a nice side effect of the process.

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Agreed.  We have no memory of being born -- and it seems like it would be  a rather shocking experience from the baby's point of view.[/quote]

I can see those points.  But I'm the PP with the near death experience and there was nothing about my experience that mirrored any of the religious teaching I was raised with.  I went to the site the PPs suggested and was moved to tears by how similar our experiences were.  It wasn't just about the general feelings of peace and love.  It was very specific images and knowledge (for truly a lack of better term) that were so very much the same.  I don't see how people from so many different cultures and religious backgrounds could have such similar experiences.

Maybe you have to experience it to really believe it.  But I can tell you that this life is just a tiny piece of a puzzle that we can't even begin to see.

Think about this -  as a full term infant in your mother's womb you had no concept at all of your mother and father.  None.  You were very much alive.  You could feel, hear,taste,see....  But still, you had no idea of the world outside that womb.  But it existed, didn't it?   [b]Why on earth would we believe we know everything now[/b]?[/quote]

We don't - but you seem to have decided that your NDE proves an existence beyond this life, when it could be a brain function that we have not yet been able to explore scientifically.

In the case of the baby in the womb, there is a scientific explanation for the baby's lack of awareness of the world beyond it.  Conception and birth has been studied and can be explained.  The baby doesn't know about it, but the adult human it becomes can understand it.  It  follows the pattern of all other mammals, with evolutionary variations that are also understood, because they have been studied by trained scientists.

There's no reason to thick that NDE's fall out of this pattern that has so far explained things that humans once thought were supernatural.

No one is denying the existence of and the profound reactions to NDEs - we're just saying that how they feel to those experiencing them is not enough  to determine what they mean.

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