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No one is going all shark on him. He's entitled to his opinion, just like everyone else.  I sense that you're expecting that his conversion will shatter minds, and it is simply not a factor that you hoped it would be.  Someone converted. So what?[/quote]

You are making this entire thread all about you. It's not. It was intended to be about why MUSLIMS do not believe in the Concept of Trinity. Dr. Dirks is but one person who converted after seeing original manuscripts. Readers of this thread may find this fascinating regardless of whether it "shatters minds." [/quote]

I agree with PP, and I'm the one who posted about investigating this more when I have time.

You don't get it. We all knew about this trinity debate beforehand, and it's not a huge deal in the scheme of things.

For perspective, someone here could google dozens of Muslim scholars who left Islam because of the various unscientific verses in the Quran (supposedly God's word, so getting science wrong is a problem), or because of theological disagreements about free will. I doubt anybody producing such a list of ex-Muslims would cause you to leave Islam immediately, would it? Can you start to see how silly your one scholar and your one dozen people sounds to us, in the scheme of things?  Further, putting yourself out as some kind of expert on the trinity seems pretty funny to us. I would never claim to be an expert on the trinity, although I didn't mention that I have already read 1-2 scholars on this (not your guy Dirks). As I said before, reading just 1-2 scholars simply isn't enough. The fact that you drop 12 names of people you haven't read, and you mention "Harvard," isn't very compelling. Further, I wasn't going to say this, but your track record of googling and posting things you haven't bothered to read, let alone understand, undermines your credibility and, sorry to say it, raises understandable suspicion about bias in sources you do link to.

Your logic is baffling, when you say that not accepting the trinity means somebody should convert to Islam. You claim that thousands of seminarians suffer from a "lack of fortitude" because they don't "convert" to Islam. Obviously, these thousands of seminarians may or may not believe in the trinity. But this has nothing to do with whether they have a "lack of fortitude" for not immediately converting to Islam. Like me, they are still Christians, because they prefer Christianity to everything else about Islam.

Whatever I learn about the trinity in future studies, I can promise you that I won't be converting to Islam.

I--and very likely these seminarians you accuse of "lack of fortitude" -- won't convert to Islam because I don't find anything attractive in how Islam treats women and non-Muslims. I'm not converting to Islam because I can't reconcile the fact that the Quran is supposed to be God's own words with various unscientific verses in the Quran. I'm not converting to Islam because I agree with Jesus that personal behavior is much more important than a set of rules about eating, cleaning and such, as a way to God. [/quote]

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