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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Reformatting. Muslima, from your post on this thread of 9/5 23:03:

[quote=Muslima] What I think is backwards is for you to think that a religion of 1.6 Billion people won't allow women to speak to a physician without their husband's permission.  This is the kind of narrative that serves nothing but to reinforce more stereotypes about the alpha Muslim man and submissive muslim woman. For crying out loud, one of the youngest doctors in the world today is a 20 year old Muslim woman, I doubt she waits for her husband's permission before consulting with her patients. [b]The Qur’an itself is not only egalitarian but decidedly anti-patriarchal, as is Islam as it was practiced by our Prophet SAW, who was in many ways a feminist.  Whenever Muslim women have been oppressed, it was due to patriarchal laws  that have no place in Islam.[/b] Since the Qur’an was revealed to a patriarchy and has been interpreted a lot by adherents of patriarchy since its revelation, it is the readings of the Qur’an and the interpretations by patriarchal Muslims that appear to be oppressive, not the Qur’an itself, whose teachings are neither framed by nor concerned with patriarchy, as proven by its strongly egalitarian essence and emphasis of equality & justice ![/quote]

What's in bold is exactly the type of statement that got you into trouble on that other thread. You make broad assertions like this, and then other posters need to lay out the facts. For example, that a Muslim man can divorce his wife by simply repeating the word "talak" three times but that she has to go before a court to ask for her divorce. Or that a Muslim woman inherits 1/2 of what her brother inherits. We never even got into veiling and how a husband may discipline a disobedient wife. All of these things are in the Quran itself, and as such they are the unchangeable words of God, but needless to say, the picture you paint never includes such things.

You need to spell out the truth yourself, instead of forcing others to do it, so that your readers can decide whether they think this meets their definitions of "equality" and "feminism." At a minimum, you need to be careful with words like "equality" and "feminism," which are freighted with meaning here in the US. Instead, you practically force others to clarify your statements and then, when they do so, you respond with flowery rhetoric. Then when we fail to agree with your flowery statements and logic, you complain about "circular debates," and finally you and that other poster end up calling everybody "Islamophobes."[/quote]

Isam does not purport to promote equality, it PROMOTES JUSTICE. There is no dignity in a divorcee kicked out or cheated on but who fights and begs in court for sometimes yrs for spousal support; Islam commands male relatives to support her. That is the only reason girls get half the inheritance than boys, because that addl money is to be used to support women in their family. Why does this upset you so much? Women after divorce in America are often in financial hardship, many jobs for women pay much less and the islamic system in its purest state is designed to address this kind of institutional discrimination. C'mon, even my nine yr old gets the logic in this. [/quote]

Then why does Muslima keep using words like "equality" and "egalitarian," for example in the post right above? Are you saying she doesn't understand her own religion? The alternative, as a nine-year-old would understand, is that she's deliberately trying to deceive. [/quote]

Because the equality that Muslima speaks of is in the fairness and justice provided by the entire system, whereas you christian crusader/evangelical/islamophobes being of the western mindset focus on individual equality rights.[/quote]

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