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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Mohammed was a pedophile and murderer.  He was violent and barbaric.

Islam is a cult of pedophiles and murderers that follow Mohammed's example.

Jesus was peaceful and never led an army of murderers.

The difference is night and day and we are experiencing this horror of Islam over and over and over.

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Jesus was peaceful and never led an army. Yes. And for that he was crucified.

C'mon. Stop this. Publishing this kind of trash is completely irresponsible of you. I am a Muslim. I am no violent or barbaric. I do not murder people and am not a pedophile. Of all the Muslims I know, none are. I spent a great deal of my life doing charitable work, helping both nonMuslims and Muslims. I supported refugees from other countries, taught a Chinese man to speak English, and volunteered at public schools. If you don't understand Islam, then find a really qualified Imam and ask him to sit down with you while you ask him questions. Bring a Quran with you. Most Imams would be happy to explain anything to you. In Virginia, the most knowledgeable Imam is Imam Magid at the ADAMS group. But to make such erroneous sweeping judgments about the entire religion is so completely unfair and false. [/quote]

please clarify what is the trash and what is the erroneous judgement?   I think these are facts not judgements.

Was Mohammed a pedophile - yes

Was Mohammed a murderer, excuse me, a warrior - yes

And yet you don't understand why people that follow this type of example, think they can kill non-muslims?   political correctness to the extreme.  but this is reality today, and what your children and grandchildren will be fighting. - judgement

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In the medieval ages the average girl from a dignified family gave birth to her first child around the age of 16-17. Since the average life expectancy was 35 at the time, you can see why. It was deemed that when a girl began menstruation, she was ready to be married. Aisha was Muhammad's youngest wife, married by age 14. Muhammad was born around 570 AD. Are you judging his life according to today's definition of pedophilia?  That  wouldn't make much sense now, would it?

Was Muhammad a murderer? Of course not. He only fought those who threatened to kill Muslims or prevent Muslims from practicing their faith.

You clearly have no knowledge of history.  [/quote]

Some Muslim apologists have recently claimed that Aisha was actually older than nine lunar years at time of the consummation of her marriage to Prophet Muhammad. They have attempted to explain that Aisha was in fact not nine-years-old as the Sahih hadiths of her own testimony claim, but some other ages derived from misquotations, indirect sources, fuzzy dating techniques and slander. These dubious research techniques have led to several conflicting ages to be proposed for Aisha at the time of consummation, including 12, 14, 15, 17, 18 and 21 years.

This article analyzes every single argument put forward by these apologists, and provides additional information on the origins and history of the "Aisha was older" apologetic arguments, and the only logical purpose behind making them.

On closer inspection of these polemics you will discover that the various claims can be broadly categorized into these categories; unjustified slanders against Hisham ibn Urwah and the Iraqi narrators, the use of non-sahih information to refute otherwise sahih hadiths, the use of secondary and indirect sources in preference of direct testimonies, the use of ‘imprecise’ dating in preference to specific dates and statements of age, the use of misquoted references and erroneous information, the use of incorrect logic, and personal opinion.

Aisha was nine lunar years old at the time her marriage to the Islamic prophet was consummated and there is simply no valid evidence that suggests otherwise. The majority of Muslims today, including both scholars and the general Muslim population, agree. This has been the mainstream Muslim understanding throughout Islam's 1,400 year history, and many of these honest Muslims take offense to these lies propagated by Muslim apologists who are embarrassed by their own prophet's actions.[/quote]

Are you Muslim? Your information is incorrect. If you doubt my information, I encourage you to sit down with an Imam and ask him your questions. Its terribly irresponsible of you to keep publishing false information about our beloved Prophet. Read books written by Karen Armstrong, an author who wrote correctly about Islam even though she herself never converted to Islam. I don't know if your purpose is to exploit information or if you are simply misinformed.

Aisha was engaged earlier but the marriage was not consummated until age 14. Engagements at this age was perfectly normal in 600 AD.

If people can accept and even deem holy an out of wedlock birth, which in Mary's time was disgraceful and quite scandalous, surely they can accept that girls in 600 AD were married at age 14. [/quote]

Ahh, so we are past the first muslim defense that she really wasn't that old.  sorry, that it historical fact.

Now to the second muslim defense, that everyone did it.

SECOND MUSLIM DEFENSE: Morality is relative to one’s culture.

Another method of defending Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha is the Muslim appeal to moral relativism. According to this view, since different cultures have different standards of morality, it is wrong to criticize the standards of others based on one’s own ethical system. Consider the following responses by Maqsood Jafri and Abdur Rahman Squires:

The Arabs practiced polygamy. In the wake of custom the Prophet Muhammad married some ladies. Hazrat Khadijah was fifteen years older [than] him at the time of marriage. Most of them were his age sake. In his fifties he married Hazrat Aiysha, the daughter of Hazrat Abu Bakr when she was just bloomed to youth. Hinting this marriage some of the orientalists charge Prophet Muhammad as a "pedophile". It was not only the Prophet Muhammad who had married a young girl [but] even the father of Hazrat Aiysha, Hazrat Abu Bakr had also married a young girl in his sixties. It was . . . part of the prevalent Arab culture and custom. Hence not to be taken seriously.[15]

The large majority of Islamic jurists say that the earliest time which a marriage can be consummated is at the onset of sexual maturity (bulugh), meaning puberty. Since this was the norm of all Semitic cultures and it still is the norm of many cultures today—it is certainly not something that Islam invented.[16]

Thus, since the practice of marrying young girls was "part of the prevalent Arab culture and custom," it is "not to be taken seriously" as a criticism of Islam.

RESPONSE: Islam is utterly inconsistent with moral relativism.

This defense is truly amazing, for, when defending Muhammad’s moral perfection, Muslims often maintain that Muhammad condemned the Arab culture for the prevalent immorality:

After spending his life in such chaste, pure and civilized manner, there comes a revolution in [Muhammad’s] being. He wearies of the darkness and ignorance, corruption, immorality, idolatry, and disorder which surround him on all sides. . . . He wants to get hold of that power with which he might bring about the downfall of the corrupt and disorderly world and lay the foundations of a new and better one. . . . He wanted to change the whole structure of society which had been handed down to them from time immemorial.[17]

[b]Muslims are quick to point out immorality around the world, especially in the West. It seems, then, that they are suggesting a very inconsistent message. When confronted with an immoral practice in another culture, Muslims cry out in one accord, "We condemn these practices, for they are against the eternal, perfect, and unalterable Law of God!" Yet, whenever the moral character of Muhammad is being scrutinized, Muslims suddenly say, "Don’t judge Muhammad! [/b]You should remember that he was from a different culture! Marrying young girls was common in Arabia, and it still is, thanks to Muhammad’s precedent. Different people have different moral standards, so no one should worry about Muhammad’s sexual relationship with a nine-year-old girl."

This convenient switch from moral absolutism to moral relativism is logically unacceptable. If it is wrong to judge the practices of another culture, then both Muhammad and the Qur’an were wrong for condemning immoral practices in Arabia. But if condemning immoral practices is acceptable, then Muslim apologists need a better response to criticisms of Muhammad’s relationship with Aisha.[/quote]

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